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dougvf
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Joined 03-01-2013 status: Newcomer |
Using FW to Logic on MBP OS 10.8.3 from my motif xf.
My settings in Utility are:
Song MODE
I have selected a “new” audio track in logic.
Would really appreciate some direction on this. Must be something simple Im over looking as I cant find anybody else out there with the same prob.
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Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
We try to capture exactly where you have gone left instead of right. And the above are two things that are not like each other. The most often confused things come down to MIDI and AUDIO. MIDI routing and audio routing. When connecting a workstation synth, like the XF to a computer running Logic or any DAW, we can no longer ignore the reality that they can impact each other. What is confusing for many is that they deal with these thing separately, instead of together. And until you do, you can be caught expecting to hear sound from MIDI, which as we all know cannot be heard. MIDI data is a series of coded messages, that must be converted into audio by a synthesizer tone engine. we know this. How the separate routing of the MIDI messages are impacted by and how they impact the audio, is what we are dealing with here. Here’s what happened. You are in SONG MODE because this lets you access the Motif XF as a sixteen Part Multi-timbral synthesizer tone generator. This is good.
You selected Quick Sequencer Setup #3: Recording on Computer.
LOCAL CONTROL is OFF, this disconnects the Motif XF keyboard from triggering the Motif XF tone generator… Such that the MIDI messages generated by the XF Keyboard and controllers go OUT via FW-MIDI to your DAW’s MIDI Track (which is why you can’t hear it) local control, the parameter that lets the XF keys play the XF tone engine is OFF. In affect you have turned audio off. The Quick Setup you have selected is not correct for generating AUDIO from the XF tone engine.
You would have to either:
The first method is the beginning of what is called “VST Instrument routing to an external module” ... Where MIDI is sent into the DAW, routed to a synth tone engine, that creates the audio, the audio is then returned to the DAW as “virtual audio track” The second method is just common sense… In order to hear yourself play the XF with the XF keyboard directly, make sure LOCAL CONTROL is ON. You have selected a Quick Template designed for when you are recording MIDI data to a DAW If your goal as stated when you created an Audio Track in Logic was to record audio, then why did you select a Quick Template that turned audio OFF? (That’s where the mistake was made).. You did not know the meaning of “recording on computer” in this instance… It means MIDI
Once you start to see what the intent of the template, it starts to make sense. MIDI affects whether the keyboard communicates to the tone generator. When recording audio make sure messages are flowing between the XF keyboard and the XF tone engine.
Recording straight audio to the DAW can be done in FW MONITOR SETUP “with PC Direct Monitor” or in “Standalone”. Either will work… If you select VSTi routing, you might opt for FW MONITOR SETUP “with PC” as this allows you to listen to audio same as you would a soft synth, through the virtual audio routing within the DAW. You are listening to the audio after (post) it arriving in the computer. Key trigger travels to Logic MIDI track, track echoes MIDI event back to XF Tone Generator, XF Tone Generator outputs audio which is RETURNED to Logic via audio bus input. Now you can hear the XF! The “with PC” monitoring setup lets you listen to the signal post traveling through the computer so any processing you do “in the box” will be heard. It turns the “local” audio connection between the XF tone engine and the XF main outputs OFF, so that the audio which is returned to the DAW can be monitored alone. You can select where you monitor, when you understand the routing, and the signal flow. Don’t let the FW throw you. The routing would be the same if it used separate wires, MIDI is still MIDI, audio is audio. FW actually makes it easier to deal with, because one connector does it all. But visualizing signal flow is the most important skill you can develop when troubleshooting the systems. And Bad_Mister’s tip: Don’t use a TEMPLATE until you fully understand its reason to exist. Then only use it if that is exactly what you want to do. Ultimately, learn to make your own, wherever possible. Hope that helps.
Sequencer Setup is MIDI.
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dougvf
Total Posts: 10
Joined 03-01-2013 status: Newcomer |
Thank you. I will try that today.
Besides the manual are you aware of any good documents/dvd/youtube video that explain all of this. Seems like a common issue for beginning recorders with a motif.
Thanks again Phil.
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