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Viewing topic "Refreshing concepts: loading samples in FlashRAM and Voices"

     
Posted on: May 08, 2014 @ 01:43 AM
digitalperformer7
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I’m sorry to post a similar question I put a while ago, but now the perspective is rather different.

Assuming there are some waveforms that are a must (i.e. K-Sounds Epic Piano, strings and orchestral etc.) but not all the Voices made with the aforementioned ones, my goal is just loading them (waveforms) and select the Voices needed to create my ideal setup.

Once waveforms are loaded info FL, will the single Voices find again the respective waveforms if they are loaded in a different USR bank and in a different memory location?

In other words, I could load only the respective waveforms coming from different .X3A Voice banks (up to FL capacity of course), while with Total Librarian I select and fill up USR banks with just the Voices I like.

Thus, the newly loaded Voices will “remember” the original assignment with the waveform stored in FL?

Thanks 😊

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Posted on: May 08, 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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You can load the Voice data to any USER 1, 2, 3, or 4 Bank location and they will automatically find their installed Waveforms as long as you are loading the Voices from your BACKUP File. The file holds the key to this knowledge because it contains a complete backup of what goes where.

Once you have installed data to a Flash Board, you must immediately make a BACKUP “ALL” data File (Save “with samples"). This contains all of your Voices, Performances, Songs, Patterns, Mixing Voices, Mix Templates, Master programs, Arpeggios, Waveforms, Samples, and Utility mode settings. And specifically, where each Waveform is placed 0001-2048 on each Flash Board.

It archives the Waveform list, which includes every Voice and exactly where to find every Waveform used in each. So as long as you reload the USER VOICE data from this file everything will find its data… You will set the Load Options so
FL1 > None
FL2 > None

You set the load options to “None” because the Waveforms and Samples are already resident on the Flash Board ... And “None” is the number of changes you require to make to that installed data. Make sense?

You can target your Voice or Voices to any internal location and it will automatically “know” where to find its Waveform and Samples. If you do not have a backup file of your personal Flash Board… The Voice will not find the data, because you hid it. Fail to backup your Flash Board means you wasted all that time and work installing the data… That is why I say you MUST create a backup All data file… Or you will be doing the work again, or manually hunting for the data (ouch!)

It’s very much the same as when you STORE a copy of the PRESET 1: 001(A01) Full Concert Grand and place it in USER 4:128(H16) - the Voice still “knows” where to find the proper Waveform and Samples from the preset Wave ROM.

Tip: any time you add new data to your Flash Board, make a new Backup File.

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Posted on: May 08, 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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Bad_Mister

Thanks for your reply.

Perhaps my question was subtle and a somewhat bastard :-)

What would you do if you had 15 - 20 .X3A files and you wanted to create a selection of Voices and waveforms to build your ultimate FlashRAM collection?

This, after all, is the heart of the matter.

In .X3A files there are Voices and waveforms I will never use in my productions, thus I need to optimize the FlashRAM memory management.

I thought to put all the Voices in a Total Librarian file and then the Voices would have found their corresponding waveform…

Perhaps I’m living in fables....

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Posted on: May 08, 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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The secret is to remove (or never install in the first place) any Waveforms of Voices you will never use.
This way you can have scores of different ALL data files that reference your particular arrangement if custom Waveforms.

Think about it: how many ALL data files could be made that reference the 3,977 Waveforms in the Factory Preset Wave ROM? The answer is: an unlimited amount.

The Preset Waveforms always remain in their fixed location in the Wave ROM.

So how many ALL data files can reference the 4,096 custom Waveforms you install on your Flash Boards?
Answer: an unlimited amount.

Once you decide a Waveform is one you want to use, install it on your Flash Board. And it will remain there as long as desire to keep it as apart of your XF!!! Make sense?

I use the Cubase MediaBay and Sound Browser to organize my hundreds and hundreds of Voices, because it allows me not only to keep all my Voices immediately accessible… But I don’t have to hunt through scores of USB sticks and files to locate a particular Voice. They are all categorized, and if I want I can rank them, leave notes about where and when I used them in projects. It is extremely elegant. My computer has tons and tons of memory. So if I create a custom tweak, I simply save it as VST PRESET.

Cubase allows you to store individual Voices and/or entire MIXING setups in the MediaBay as VST PRESETS. So I keep backups of every XF Project’s Mixing arrangement because I often customize the Insertion Effect assignment PER Project. If I especially like one of the individual tweaks, I also store it individually as a single VST Preset.

Whether they are Voice Libraries or Voice libraries with Samples, I don’t ever have to wait for them to load, I simply click on the name, it bulks the Voice data to XF in about a second and each Voice finds its Waveforms and samples on the flash Board, (that’s all automatic).

I find this is the ultimate way to organize multiple libraries. All that it requires is that you recognize how to optimize the use of the Flash Boards.

Coming this summer we will begin the various product focused User Groups, where you’ll have access to video tutorials and in depth tips and tricks from Yamaha’s team of specialists on all of these advanced features and functions. Please look for this coming soon.

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Posted on: May 09, 2014 @ 05:28 PM
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Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. ;-)

I’m glad some tutorial videos are coming, this means that somebody at higher storys realized managing FlashRAM, waveforms and Voices on a Motif XF is not for the faint of heart…

.ALL files are surely handy, when one has finished to completely organize his/her Motif setup.

What a musician, not a deep and experienced synth programmer, needs is just a thorough guide for moving from point A to B, without getting lost in the menu depth.

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Posted on: May 09, 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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Synthesis is not for the faint of heart, heck, music is not for the faint of heart. :-)
The reward for learning is its own reward, those faint of heart should just retire or remain acoustic (and call the piano tuner when they need a technician!)
:-)

No, seriously, Yamaha has never been afraid complexity -GX1, DX7, SY99, VL1, EX5, FS1R (acoustic pianos!!!!)
We believe that there are plenty of smart musicians, it takes a brain that can conceptualize to create music. And if anything, sites like this forum has taught us that that there is a willingness and desire among many to get deeper into the product and a desire to customize. (There are enough simple products for those faint of heart)…
:-)

The eight Element Voice engine is one that has only begun to be tapped, FLASH BOARDs are a key to expansion of the sonic palette - staving of obsolescence. Hope you enjoy the ride!

(By the way, what’s a .ALL file?) you mean .X3A?

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Posted on: May 09, 2014 @ 06:11 PM
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