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mitchk000
Total Posts: 19
Joined 09-27-2013 status: Regular |
Hello,
I noticed that when creating a part in a performance using a voice with common EQ edit setting’s, the part did not sound the same as the voice itself. I created a simple test.
Do voice common edits not get transferred to performance parts? Mitch |
5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
Some Voice Parameters get copied only if Parameter with Voice is ON, some get copied whether P.WithVce is on or not, and others don’t get copied at all. Common EQ doesn’t get copied, but you can duplicate the EQ setting the Voice had in the Performance’s Part. See P.WithVce on page 64 of the MOXF Reference Manual for details. See page 67 for setting the Part EQ in a Performance. |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
it may take a minute to get your head around all of the different available EQs. And which EQ is transferred with the Voice and which is simply stripped off. Here’s some help…
ELEMENT EQ
Edits to the Voice Element’s EQ are literally apart of the Voice, so had you added EQ to the Voice at the Element level it would automatically translate when you move the Voice to a PERFORMANCE Part or to a SONG/PATTERN MIXING Part.
Voice COMMON EQ
Application
A “PART” is very much like a set parameters applied to your a Voice, as if you had plugged the Voice output into a mixer. This analogy is directly on point, and helps you understand how there are going to be ‘default’ mixer settings… Much like an empty mixer has all knobs set to some nominal position, initially. When you plug into the mixer you inherit the mixer volume setting (typically all channels default to volume = 100), all channels have a Reverb send = 12, Chorus send = 0, all channel panned to Center, and so on… And just like any mixer the channel’s EQ is defaulting to flat (no EQ) beyond the aforementioned EQ applied within the Voice Element itself. If you apply EQ to a PART in a PERFORMANCE, you are EQ’ing at the Performance’s mixer. Purpose: This is to make the Part work in the context of its current surroundings. (This is different from your goal with the Voice mode COMMON EQ _ as the Voice is all alone in Voice mode). If you [STORE] your PART EQ settings in the Performance, they would be reflected in the SONG/PATTERN mixer EQ settings when you COPIED the Performance to the Mixing program. It is perfectly logical that when you plug into a channel of a mixer that the mixer channel’s EQ is initially set to Flat. The purpose of this EQ is to make the sound work in this context, it is not apart of the Voice itself it’s to blend it into the current situation.
EQ to repair the sound should be done within the Voice (at the ELEMENT level)
Alternate Method
Master EQ is an overall EQ to match your sound to the room you are performing in...it affects everything.
Find out more about Equalizers
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mitchk000
Total Posts: 19
Joined 09-27-2013 status: Regular |
Phil, 5pin After all these years with my various Motif’s, I learned something new. Probably because I typically EQ at the element level. A little context.. In this particular case, I was having much trouble matching the warmer (how I perceive it..) tube distortion from an ES voice I was trying to replicate to the more sterile/sharp distortion options in the MOXF. With the insert effects off in both boards, the voices between the ES version and the MOXF version are identical in sound. Distortion effects are tricky as they are highly subjective and probably dynamically react to the spectrum of the voices they are applied to. I have found combination of setting’s in the MOXF that get me real close to how the ES voice sounded, but found it not quite as “satisfying” as what I was able to dial in in the ES distortion effect. It was here that I was trying to use common eq to solve this programming “dilemma”. That said, thank you for the detailed explanation of the EQ routing. If you have any insight into the new distortion “models” as they relate to the ES implementation, I would welcome the information. -Mitch |
pax_eterna
Total Posts: 209
Joined 11-03-2013 status: Enthusiast |
+1 on the detailed explanation BM - thanks |