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ishaypc
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Joined 03-09-2010 status: Regular |
Hello everyone. I work on a Motif XS, just to be clear..
1. I often get a recording that i am suppose to add keyboards to.
the problem is once i want to work on a specific part i have to press “play” from the begginig of the track. i guess the sample triggers only with it’s original command at the begging of the song..
2. also, when i record vocals, its the same story.
i would realy appreciate some help. thank you! |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
It is always true that a ‘one shot’ sample will begin to playback from the START POINT and play once to the END POINT.
It is also true that you can adjust the START POINT to any point in the sample. For example, if you have a sample that is 100 measures in length, you can place the START POINT at any point you wish to have it start when it receives a NOTE-ON.
Say you are working on the first 24 measure section, you can “trim” the START and END POINTS so that it starts at measure 001 and move the END POINT just to the left of measure 025. (You can even have the XS calculate the TEMPO for you using the TEMPO/METER/MEASURE function.) Once you know the TEMPO you can easily estimate how many samples are in a measure (even if the audio is not timing perfect, you will still be able to estimate where each measure is going to found, give-or-take a few samples). Once you know that one measure contains ‘x’ amount of samples… you can guess-timate approximately where measure 100 will occur). Remember the sampler is precise to 44,100 samples per second.
This is TEMPO detection trick is covered in the following article on sampling basics:
You can MOVE the START and END POINTS (non-destructively as long as you do NOT EXTRACT) to have any portion of the audio playback. I use this technique all the time when working out “sound alike” tracks.
Yes. After attempting to record the vocal in one long take, most singers wind up preferring to do things in some smaller division of the composition. Why not record the song a musical Section at a time. Analyze where the vocals come in and pause, looking for your punch-in and punch-out points. Typically songs are divided in to convenient sub-divisions (verses, choruses, etc) You have to be careful about the pick-ups in advance of a section and notes that hang over the bar lines at the end of section… but it is not difficult to do at all… once you get the hang of it. Using the Integrated Sampler with “sample+note” RECORD TYPE, and the “MEAS” (Measure) TRIGGER MODE, you can set the PUNCH-IN and PUNCH-OUT measures to accommodate your vocal recording needs. Alternate Method: using the END POINT---> TEMPO/METER/MEASURE function you can sub-divide any recorded sample into more convenient size samples. It is possible using this to create a region that is the vocals for the first verse: Set the Start Point and End Point to frame the measures containing the vocals for the first verse… use the COPY KEYBANK JOB function to place this on a specific KEY in a new Waveform. Create the MIDI note on the track of the sequencer to trigger it at the appropriate measure. I sub-divide all vocals this way… it makes it more convenient to work with them. You only have to start every time from the beginning of the sample as recorded if you don’t understand that this is a sampler, you can set the playback Start Point/End Point for anything that you sample, you can create the note-on event that controls the playback. We hope to have a video on this advanced technique at some point in the coming months. |
ishaypc
Total Posts: 35
Joined 03-09-2010 status: Regular |
Thanks a lot for your answer, B_M.
i hope i understood all those new ways of working with the sampler.
if not, could i import a MIDI file into one of the tracks?
i know that i’m “only” holding a workstation, but most of my editing and pre-seting happens there and not on any PC daw. Thank you very much, Ishay |
Bad_Mister
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I find it quite comfortable and so will you once you do it. You cannot find it uncomfortable or even assess that it is until you have learned to do it. Then you can evaluate whether it is comfortable or not. But until you have learned to do, comfort is simply a matter of getting used to working with audio samples.
I don’t understand what you mean, sorry.
I have not mentioned any editing in a PC or in any DAW… in fact the sample editing is done completely on the Motif XS |
ishaypc
Total Posts: 35
Joined 03-09-2010 status: Regular |
Thanks again, i just wanted to make sure what i’m doing is OK.
i have stated the starting and ending point to the part i’m working on (a chorus for example), and did’nt extract the result,
is that right?
thank you |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
once you have set the START and END POINTs you only need to place a MIDI NOTE-ON event on the track to trigger it. remember the Motif is a sampler. The significance of that is you use NOTE-ON events to start and end audio - be it a preset Piano or your user vocals If you set your START and END POINTS so you have defined a 16 measure region - that musically is from 17-32 in your composition. Then place a NOTE-ON EVENT as measure 017:1:000 that has a duration (GATE) that will hold it for 16 measures. If you are in 4/4 time that would be 16 measures x 4 beats/measures: GATE = 064:000 |
ishaypc
Total Posts: 35
Joined 03-09-2010 status: Regular |
it’s 11/8 actualy.. but works great! thanks a lot for the atention, B_M. always apreciating. hope this helps other Motif users. Ishay |