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Michiel D
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Hi there, I am wondering if it is possible to copy (only) the effects (insert and system) from one voice to another. This could be done on older synths like the SY77 if I remember correctly, but am wondering if the XF has this trick upon it’s sleeve ..? Kind regards, Michiel |
Michiel D
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I’m sorry but it was even the Motif ES for which this procedure was explained ... COPYING VOICE DATA w/ARPEGGIOS TO A PERFORMANCE or MIX in a Motif ES. In (XF) articles about the performance mode there is a lot of text explaining way it maken sense not to have individual system effects. But I can not find info on the question if and how you could determine that these system effects for all the voices would be (i.e.) the system effects of the voice you put in part 1… As this was possible in the ES, would be strange that in the XF this would not be possible… (and one had to program a long list of effect parameters with help of a pen and paper and than in performance mode set each individual effect paramater as in the voice from which you want to use the system effects...) Thanks for help/advice! Kind regards, Michiel |
5pinDIN
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Your original question concerned copying effects (only) from one Voice to another. You’re now discussing copying Voice data to a Performance or Mix, which is not the same issue.
Perhaps these support articles will help:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/introducing_motif_xs_effects http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/motif_xs_parameter_with_voice |
Michiel D
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I’m sorry, posten 2 question on effects so they got mixer up .. anyhow thanks for the links.
Will read the support article for both, if I find the answers, will post them here.
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Michiel D
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Here’s what I mean, in the article of the first link, I began to think the answer was at hand about the effects in performance mode: When the VOICE is placed in an ensemble (either a PERFORMANCE or a SONG/PATTERN MIXING program) it does not take along the SYSTEM EFFECTS. The SYSTEM Effects are shared by all of the PARTS. This makes sense because, remember, System Effects are the OUTER environment. It would be analogous to the musicians all being in the same room acoustics. So in a PERFORMANCE or in a MIXING program all the PARTS must share the OUTER environment… just like in the real world, you would have the band in a single room… After this explanation, the guide continues explaining how to copy the system effects from one voice to all other voices .... in Mixing mode (song/ pattern) ... So no answer for how this trick works in performance mode ... yet ... |
Michiel D
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And from the second article: When the VOICE is placed in an ensemble (either a PERFORMANCE or a SONG/PATTERN MIXING program) it does not take along the SYSTEM EFFECTS. The SYSTEM Effects are shared by all of the PARTS. This makes sense because, remember, System Effects are the OUTER environment. It would be analogous to the musicians all being in the same room acoustics. The second sentence states: the SYSTEM effects are shared by all of the PARTS.......... My question remains: WHICH system effects?
The system effects that are randomly there?
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Michiel D
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We got him ... ! Lost of articles read, many of them suggesting to reveal the secret ... but then an article on the website of Yamaha ... : )
How to Copy the SYSTEM EFFECTS:
• Press [ENTER] to execute.
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5pinDIN
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Of course, that information is in the first article I linked to above, but you apparently missed it. |
Michiel D
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The article of the first link explains in detail how to copy the system effects in pattern or song mode (Mixing setup).
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Michiel D
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I’m sorry cheered to early ... this copy procedure works fine in performance mode or in Mixing mode.
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5pinDIN
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The Yamaha MOTIF XF Editor has Copy and Paste functions, which work for Effects in Voice mode. |
Michiel D
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Thanks again. Right now I am working without a computer in my studio, maybe I will change that.
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5pinDIN
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While many procedures can be accomplished directly on the XF, there are numerous advantages to interfacing it with a computer - and I’m not referring to use of a DAW.
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Effects aren’t found in the Voice Elements, they’re Common Parameters.
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Michiel D
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And again ... : ) Refering to your last remark, that’s why I think it could work, when I copy a part of another voice to the ‘current’ voice: the parts of another voice are ‘introduced’ to the envorinment of the common parameters of the current voice (host). But of course a lot of other common parameters will also apply to the new elements so could give unwanted or at least unintended outcomes. The reason I want to try this is that I found a fantastic piano voice in one of the 3rd party voice libraries, with the name like ‘empty room piano’ (lost of reverb). The piano itself uses quite some MB of my sample memory, whereas (my guess) the effects make the difference. So maybe when I use the (extreme) effect settings in another piano voice, I can save some of my flashboard memory. |
5pinDIN
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The Common Parameters include about everything the Voice is comprised of, other than what’s in the Elements. Do try what you’re thinking of - it’s the best way to learn what works and what doesn’t - but it’s likely to be a lot faster and easier to just manually copy the effect Parameters from one Voice to another. On the other hand, the Yamaha Editor can accomplish the job in a matter of seconds… resistance is futile. Â ;-) |