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Posted on: September 27, 2018 @ 12:47 PM
Dionysos
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Hi again. I wish to clarify whether I/we/newcomers within the synth world, might benefit from selling (abstaining from purchasing) the MOXF8 and replacing it with the newly released MODF8, which seems promising on many fronts. Here I have tried to map some important points of comparison, and please contribute to it.

I puchased the MOXF8 at the end of January and it took me many weeks to finish the whole setup with new gear, microphone holder, note sheet holder etc. which I pieced together from assesories from different suppliers, located in different countries (in order to have something universal). THen I started getting into working with the MOXF8.

I write You regarding my experiences with MOXF8. FOr a newcomer within the synth world it has often been a nightmare to get it to work with CUbase since the manuals are useless really and those extra guidelines I have gotten from Yamaha themselves are rather outdated.

THings have been altered within Cubase so it is often hard to locate the mentioned functions and make the right setup. SO things go slow and sometimes there is a quantum leap.

Apropos, would any of you suggest me to sell the MOXF8 and purchase the MODX8 instead or is this too early to ask since it was recently released for sale?

In short it seems that the differences are:

MODx8:
COns: 1) No sequenser, so dependent on CUbase.
2) Many of the buttons from the Montage have been removed which might mean that the realtime stage operation is made more complicated and less quickly accessible.
3) No remote controle of Cubase as with the MOXF, apart from the USB volume button.
4) not a lot of polyphony for the aww2 generator, the audio, sampled sounds.
5) Price is 3-400 $ higher
6) Has not been properly tested yet, so the faults have yet to be discovered.
7) Only 16 live sets. I would need to be able to call up much more and be flexible with which ones I’d play from gig to gig. I have a repertoire of something like 100 songs. I don’t know the limit for the MOXF8? I guess that one makes the live sets from gig to gig, and if some extra need to play more songs from the repertoire comes up during a concert, one goes into the performances. THe Master mode is a way to have the prioritized performances selected with the click of a button as far as i understand.

Pros: 1) TOuch screen which makes things more overviewable.
2) Seems to be easier to perform the settings. Easier to find and more visible, not deep within some menu. Makes it for a more live capable action. Well I probably am contradicting my later statement about the more buttons on the MOXF8 making on stage navigation more flexible and quickly accessible.

I think this argument totally depends on whether one is into a touch screen or wants the buttons. An important choice I think. I think the answer should come from those who have compared the UI of the two of course. I have only read about the MODX8 and heard it online.

3) Easier UI (as 2)
4) Manuals are up to date

MOXF8:
COns 1) Difficult to get to know and lacking manuals. THis is the major downturn
2) Clumsy arrangement of the functions. DOesn’t seem clear yet as to how the functions have been grouped. I need to do a lot of experimental clicking to refind the functions. Often a nightmare. Kills the creativity.
3) SOme of the keyboard sounds seem extremely low compared to some of the sampled sounds (acoustic pianos etc). Hearing those sounds in the headphones is hopeless. Bad factory default. SOme have mentioned that this owes to having an all over head room for turning up the volume, and to avoid overdrive and unwanted distortion of the sound.

Pros: 1) Established fora with a lot of experienced musicians that contribute
2) Great sounds
3) Capabilities as the MOTIF XF, meaning sequenser etc.
4) More buttons making it easy to turn on off things. Buttons stay in their place and are independent on the touch screen.
5) Easy Remote control of Cubase, which was a delight to me. I can’t see how one could bear NOT having this functionality, after having recorded like this which was super easy.
6) ALl the insertion effects are controlled with knobs. FOr the MOdx8 there are fewer settings that can be controlled it seems, as opposed to 2x4 knos times 3 parameters=24 parameters with the MOXF8

Please add to this list in order to enable us to make a choice which lets us focus on producing music rather than being caught up with unnecessary tech stuff.

Cheers
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PS: I understand this question is rather relative in that the answer depends on the repliers user experience. AN experienced user might not find the MOXF8 difficult, for instance if he had the MOTIF XF before, not to mention some previous experience with handling a synthesizer and Cubase.

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Posted on: September 27, 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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Using Song and Pattern Mixings on the MOXF, you can have up to 128 setups for live play…
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/using_a_moxf_mixing_program_for_quick_access_to_multiple_sounds_in_a_live_s
...which can be associated with Masters if desired.

The available MOXF manuals should properly cover its operation. (Manuals covering Cubase operation come with the particular version of Cubase.) Which MOXF manual(s) are you working with?

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Posted on: September 27, 2018 @ 03:00 PM
Dionysos
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I thought setups were stored as performances and that I had to overwrite the preset ones?

I use the manual for the MOXF8, including the reference manual. There lack some quick starts however, to get started, and get into things quickly.

I use the CUbase 9.5 ai. I went through some of the quick starts. THe extra MOXF8-CUbase guidelines by Bad Mister etc. were however written for the older Cubase versions so yet another obstacle.

Well not to confuse things, let’s talk about the MOXF8 and the Modx8. Of course an important question is whether I can operate CUbase remotely as with the MOXF8.

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Posted on: September 27, 2018 @ 05:05 PM
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Dionysos - 27 September 2018 03:00 PM

I thought setups were stored as performances and that I had to overwrite the preset ones?

If you haven’t already done so, I suggest that you read the support article I linked to, and try what it explains.

Performances are limited to four Parts, and all of them are on one MIDI channel. If you use Direct Performance Record, the MIDI data from the four Parts will be recorded on separate tracks in the sequencer.

MOXF Song and Pattern modes are multitimbral, and Mixings can have up to 16 Parts on separate MIDI Receive Channels.

 

Dionysos -

Well not to confuse things, let’s talk about the MOXF8 and the Modx8. Of course an important question is whether I can operate CUbase remotely as with the MOXF8.

OK, but since the MODX has just recently become available to users, there aren’t many who have one and can discuss it with any level of expertise. I can help with the Motif family models, but not the MODX.

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Posted on: September 28, 2018 @ 02:38 AM
Dionysos
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Fine thanks, I’ll let the thread hang for a while until the expertise is there. Yes I skimmed through that text. Good info.

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Posted on: September 28, 2018 @ 09:33 AM
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5pinDIN - 27 September 2018 01:45 PM

Using Song and Pattern Mixings on the MOXF, you can have up to 128 setups for live play…

Dionysos - 27 September 2018 03:00 PM

I thought setups were stored as performances

You can store setups either way, with pros and cons to each approach. Also see the discussion at http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/465634/

MODX has moved away from the concept of modes. The way it stores a setup is called a Performance, though it is closer to the old Song/Pattern Mixing mode than the old Performance mode (though it isn’t exactly either).

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Posted on: September 28, 2018 @ 10:30 AM
Dionysos
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THanks

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Posted on: September 29, 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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MODX + CUBASE is a subset to MOXF + CUBASE
MODX + CUBASE < MOXF + CUBASE

in other words if you have a chance to get a MOXF don’t hesitate.  The MODX will be around and makes a nice second keyboard.

Don’t get duped by the hype, or Yamaha’s real need to keep a competitive product line schedule.

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