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Posted on: December 21, 2016 @ 12:09 AM
jg666
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I have connected my MOXF6 to a Denon AV Amplifier but not sure if I have used the right sort of connectors.

The reason I’m wondering is because the sound I get via my headphones (which I use most of the time) seems to be much fuller than what I’m getting via the amp and my large floorstanding speakers.

At the moment I’ve connected using a the type of cable you would use to connect a CD player R&L;to the AV amp. Should I be using the longer type of plugs at the keyboard end (what I’d call instrument jack plugs) ?

The voices when I play them through the headphones sound fuller than when I play via the amp and speakers. Could it be that the headphones are better or is it worth trying other cables?

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Posted on: December 21, 2016 @ 03:41 AM
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Hi jg666,

The cable you should need to connect to a regular hifi amp would be 2 x RCA/phono (for the amp end) - 2 x 1/4 inch Mono Jacks (for the MOXF end)

It’s always worth buying good quality cables if you can, but unless you have an idea that they really are cheap and nasty, or even damaged, then it’s much more likely that you’re just used to how your headphones sound and you may be super aware of certain qualities about them.

Headphones are about the most unnatural way of listening to music because they eliminate interaction with your room and you’ll probably find that they ‘hype’ the sound of your board in pleasant ways and it’s just that you’ve become used to it.

How do CD’s or other music sources sound through your speakers?  The chances are they will sound good, but that’s why mixing and mastering engineers were paid a lot of money to make the music translate beautifully on anything.

You no doubt have tone controls on your amp, which you can use to recreate what you’re hearing on headphones and don’t forget that the MOXF has EQ that you can use to do the same, onboard.

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Posted on: December 21, 2016 @ 05:26 AM
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jg666 - 21 December 2016 12:09 AM

[...] the sound I get via my headphones (which I use most of the time) seems to be much fuller than what I’m getting via the amp and my large floorstanding speakers. [...]

Could you define your use of the term “fuller” for us? Is there a particular range of frequencies that seems lacking?

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Posted on: December 21, 2016 @ 11:36 PM
jg666
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Firstly thanks for the replies :-)

I’ll try and find a better description for what I mean over the next few days, it’s not easy so I will see if any friends can help out by listening.

My gut instinct says it could be the mid-range that’s better on the headphones but I can’t be certain yet. It sounds fuller, warmer, more body etc etc. Bass is handled really well on the floorstanding speakers obviously.

Maybe it is the speakers and amp that are causing part of the sound to be weaker?

The kit I’m using for this is
Denon 3805 A/V Amp (in stereo mode with no DSPs)
Castle Avon floorstanding speakers

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Posted on: December 22, 2016 @ 06:08 AM
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Modern amps don’t tend to color sound to a significant degree, and since you’ve got yours in stereo mode with DSP off, that shouldn’t be much of a contributing factor (if any).

The same can’t be said for speakers. There isn’t one on the planet that’s completely neutral, especially when interaction with the room is taken into account - even pro near-field monitors don’t have perfect frequency response, although they can come close. I wasn’t familiar with the Castle Avon speakers, so I went looking online for some reviews. About the only comment I could find that might relate to your experience with them was that the high end might be somewhat excessive.

If you feel that the mid-range with speakers is a bit lacking, you might try reducing the top end a bit, either with EQ on the MOXF (which would, of course, also affect what you hear on headphones plugged into the MOXF) or the treble control on the amp.

Placement of the speakers in the room and their positioning relative to your playing position also will have an effect on what you hear. Bass tends to be increased when a speaker is placed near wall surfaces, especially so if room corners are used. Frequency response can be very dependent on room dimensions, with certain frequencies emphasized or diminished based on the ratio of length, width, and height of the room. Absorptive and reflective materials in the room also play a role. Etc.

You can try to get the speakers you’re currently using to work better with your MOXF by experimenting with some of the things I’ve mentioned, or perhaps consider getting some powered near-field monitors.

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Posted on: December 22, 2016 @ 11:41 AM
jg666
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Once again, thanks for the reply.

I’ve been down on my hands and knees with a torch and a magnifying glass looking at all the knobs on the AV Amp tonight. Because it’s a few years old, it’s all fiddly little knobs, small display and tiny text so very difficult to see what you’re doing ;-)

Anyway, long story short, I noticed that the Room Eq was set to Off for the input I am using for the keyboard. I changed this to ‘Normal’ and the sound suddenly leapt out at me :-) Everything now sounds more ‘forward’ if that is the correct word to describe it.

It sounds very close to what I’m hearing on the headphones now and I’m very happy.

Thanks to all concerned for your help.

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Posted on: December 22, 2016 @ 12:39 PM
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You’re welcome - I’m glad you were able to find a setting on the amp that improved the sound.

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Posted on: December 22, 2016 @ 10:02 PM
jg666
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To be honest I’d totally forgotten about those settings on the Amp as I originally set it up for all other inputs in 2004 when I purchased it!

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