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Posted on: June 01, 2016 @ 06:00 PM
Garrison
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I have an Edirol PCR-800 Controller.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/pcr-800/

It has 4 sliders I’d like to assign to control the 4 volume parts of a multi.
I’ve read the Motif-Rack XS Data Lists and just can’t seem to put it together
Is there a control map of Motif-Rack XS somewhere?

If not, can I get some advice on this issue?

Thanks,

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Posted on: June 01, 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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I’m unaware of any “control map” for the Rack XS. The Data List is the source of that kind of information.

I’m also not sure what you’d like to do, since a Multi has 16 Parts, not 4. Are you wanting to control volume level of 4 out of the 16 possible?

Control numbers can be assigned so that an external controller can affect certain parameters or functions. Usage is covered on pages 44-45 of the Owner’s Manual and the Control List on page 53 of the Data List.

However, independent control of the volume of Multi Parts requires sending SysEx messages. I downloaded the PCR-800 Owner’s Manual, and it appears that it can be programmed to send such messages and insert variable data in them.

This should work:
F0 43 10 7F 03 37 pp 0E dd F7
where…
pp = Part number, 00~0F (1~16)
dd = Volume, 00~7F (0~127)

I verified the above on my XF6 (using appropriate model ID), using MIDI-OX to send the message to various Parts in a Song. It does what you’d expect.

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Posted on: June 02, 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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5pinDIN

It amazes me how many of us you help in such a professional way.
Thank you for that!

I can’t run MIDI OX on the Mac, but I do remember using it when I was on XP.

You asked,
I’m also not sure what you’d like to do, since a Multi has 16 Parts, not 4. Are you wanting to control volume level of 4 out of the 16 possible?

Yes, control 4 parts to 1 multi is a nice place to start,

As is visible on the Controller Editor Interface, I would probably eventually assign all 8 sliders to a multi that had 8 parts.
I can’t see myself needing any more than that.

All I can see from the Control Set List page 53 of the Data List, ‘that I currently need’, is Volume #65.  I don’t know what to do with that. 

I’ve read, several times, pages 44 & 45 of the manual.  Not making too much sense of what it says. 
I did the exercise on page 45 and did find all the windows on the –Rack XS.
I entered the CC in the Roland PCR Editor on the computer and transmitted the settings to the Edirol Controller Keyboard itself without successfully hearing any changes on the –Rack XS when activating the Control Message by moving the slider.

I’m using the Roland PCR-800 Editor – Easily downloaded here:
Depending on your OS; at position 8, 11 & 12 on the page.

Roland Downloads

Using the SysEx message you supplied, I received the error message listed below.
Additionally I do not know what to do with the ‘pp = and dd=’ text.

F0 43 10 7F 03 37 pp 0E dd F7 

where… 

pp = Part number, 00~0F (1~16) 

dd = Volume, 00~7F (1~127)

Then lastly, I’m sure you know about this Yamaha .jpg below:

I’m really hoping you can get me going.

Thanks

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Roland Editor.jpgSys Ex String.jpgThere Is A Mistake.jpgYamaha Sys EX strings.jpg
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Posted on: June 02, 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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I can help to a certain degree, mostly with the Motif side of things.

Forget about the Control List for your specific purposes - being able to control individual Parts of a Multi requires using SysEx.

F0 43 10 7F 03 37 pp 0E dd F7
where…
pp = Part number, 00~0F (1~16)
dd = Volume, 00~7F (0~127)

That means, in place of pp, insert
“00” in the message when programming a control slider for Part 1
“01” in the message when programming a control slider for Part 2
~~~
“0F” in the message when programming a control slider for Part 16

For dd
“00” or “1” is minimum volume
“7F” or “127” is maximum volume
See page 29 of the PCR manual, System Ex.(F0...F7), and note “Min Value” and “Max Value”. That’s where you determine the range of volume slider will control. If you want it to have a full range, use the minimum and maximum values above.

Since I don’t own a Roland controller, I have no experience setting one up. If the PCR manual isn’t sufficiently clear, perhaps another Motifator member might be more familiar, or you might need to contact Roland.

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Posted on: June 02, 2016 @ 06:58 PM
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Got all SysEx files into the Keyboard
Sliders 1 thru 4 on the Keyboard are transmitting, but the _Rack XS is not responding.
i know the Keyboard is transmitting because the LED reflects the number of the slider I’m activating.
I have a Multi selected and there are no volume changes on any of the Parts.
I must have SysEx strings wrong.
Do you see anything?
Thanks again!

Volume Slider 1 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 00 0E 00 F7

Volume Slider 2 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 01 0E 00 F7

Volume Slider 3 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 02 0E 00 F7

Volume Slider 4 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 03 0E 00 F7

DTO: 7bit
Port 1
Min Value 0
Max Value 127

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Posted on: June 02, 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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Slider 1 is activating Reverb Depth (as near as I can tell) on Part 1. (MIDI channel 1)
I have ‘Urban Shuffle” in the Stand-Alone Editor.
I don’t see any sliders moving, but slider #1 is increasing and decrease the amount of reverb on the snare.

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Posted on: June 02, 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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Garrison - 02 June 2016 06:58 PM

Got all SysEx files into the Keyboard
Sliders 1 thru 4 on the Keyboard are transmitting, but the _Rack XS is not responding.
i know the Keyboard is transmitting because the LED reflects the number of the slider I’m activating.
I have a Multi selected and there are no volume changes on any of the Parts.
I must have SysEx strings wrong.
Do you see anything?
Thanks again!

Volume Slider 1 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 00 0E 00 F7

Volume Slider 2 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 01 0E 00 F7

Volume Slider 3 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 02 0E 00 F7

Volume Slider 4 F0 43 10 7F 03 37 03 0E 00 F7

DTO: 7bit
Port 1
Min Value 0
Max Value 127

The “dd” byte in the string I originally posted (right before F7) is the Data value that you’re trying to change. You’ve given it a fixed value of “00”. As best I can tell from the Roland manual, that should be changed to “DT”, so that DT0 will range from 0 to 127 when the slider is moved.

Try that and let us know what happens.

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Posted on: June 02, 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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Garrison - 02 June 2016 07:06 PM

Slider 1 is activating Reverb Depth (as near as I can tell) on Part 1. (MIDI channel 1)
I have ‘Urban Shuffle” in the Stand-Alone Editor.
I don’t see any sliders moving, but slider #1 is increasing and decrease the amount of reverb on the snare.

According to the Rack XS Data List…
F0 43 10 7F 03 37 pp 13 dd F7
...would adjust Reverb Send for each Part.

Try what I suggested in my previous post with the data byte and see what happens.

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Posted on: June 03, 2016 @ 09:40 AM
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I replaced all 4 slider strings with DT and all is FANTASTIC!  Thank you so much!!

I have noticed when I change the -Rack XS setting:
from
Multi>Utility>MIDI>Enter>Midi In/Out>MIDI
to
Multi>Utility>MIDI>Enter>Midi In/Out>mLan (I have the Yamaha FW16E card installed)

I no longer have External control of the -Rack XS.

Then I switch back to:

Multi>Utility>MIDI>Enter>Midi In/Out>MIDI

I once again, have External control of the -Rack XS.

It appears I will only have external control in live performance situations, but when recording in the DAW, I’ll have to use sliders in the DAW or Editor. (unless I only record Audio output and skip the Editor interface that uses the mLan)

mmmmmmmm?

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Posted on: June 03, 2016 @ 10:29 AM
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Garrison - 03 June 2016 09:40 AM

I replaced all 4 slider strings with DT and all is FANTASTIC!  Thank you so much!!

You’re welcome - I’m glad that got things working.

 

Garrison - 03 June 2016 09:40 AM

I have noticed when I change the -Rack XS setting:
from
Multi>Utility>MIDI>Enter>Midi In/Out>MIDI
to
Multi>Utility>MIDI>Enter>Midi In/Out>mLan (I have the Yamaha FW16E card installed)

I no longer have External control of the -Rack XS.

Then I switch back to:

Multi>Utility>MIDI>Enter>Midi In/Out>MIDI

I once again, have External control of the -Rack XS.

It appears I will only have external control in live performance situations, but when recording in the DAW, I’ll have to use sliders in the DAW or Editor. (unless I only record Audio output and skip the Editor interface that uses the mLan)

mmmmmmmm?

Make sure your DAW is set to send SysEx. It’s not uncommon for DAWs to default to filtering System Exclusive messages.

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