Hey, So recently I bought the Sound Library Sound Cd for my Yamaha Motif Es to get access to the Original Powergrand sound that came from the original Yamaha Motif Classic. My issue is that every time I play the Powergrand or any other piano from the cd, there is this annoying Sustained or Pedal-sound delay background noise each time I press a key. So everytime I play a note there is a hammer-sounding effect present, almost like it’s trying to emulate that of a real grand piano. So the piano is not clean-sounding. It gets worse on the higher keys. If I play too loud I lose sound/polyphony.

P.S. I called Yamaha Support today and asked the guy on the phone how to approach this and he told me to edit the elements but it seems like each element affects the lower section of the keys, middle section of the keys, and higher section of the keys.

Has anyone experienced this, who has bought the CD too, or how do you get rid of that background noise???

Thanks
-Les

All I can say is that something is wrong because it didn’t do that on my ES nor does it do it on my XF (I ported all my ES voices over to the XF when I bought it).

Let me go try playing it and see if I can give you any suggestions.

orochimarulester - 15 March 2016 01:37 AM

[...] My issue is that every time I play the Powergrand or any other piano from the cd, there is this annoying Sustained or Pedal-sound delay background noise each time I press a key. So everytime I play a note there is a hammer-sounding effect present, almost like it’s trying to emulate that of a real grand piano. So the piano is not clean-sounding. It gets worse on the higher keys. If I play too loud I lose sound/polyphony.

P.S. I called Yamaha Support today and asked the guy on the phone how to approach this and he told me to edit the elements but it seems like each element affects the lower section of the keys, middle section of the keys, and higher section of the keys.

The ES has four-Element architecture, while later models (XS and XF) are eight-Element. On the XS/XF, some piano Voices dedicate one Element to the “key-off” sound. On those Voices it’s possible to turn of the relevant Element if the key-off sound isn’t desired. Perhaps Yamaha Support was thinking of a model and Voice where disabling a single Element could resolve the issue.

However, part of your description has me wondering about the sound system and acoustics of your listening space. How do the pianos sound if you listen with headphones connected directly to the ES?

Also, do you have the ES connected via MIDI to anything? MIDI data being echoed back can cause some strange problems, including loss of polyphony.

OK, I pulled up Powergrand on my XF6.

The voice uses four elements (doh). It is just four key zones, no velocity switches. The zones are G-2 to B1, C2 to A#3, B3 to G5 and G#5 to G8. 

The last one does sound odd, the hammer sound is too strong. Moving from G5 to G#5 the difference is easily heard.

I do not hear a sustaining sound in the background however, and nothing to eat up polyphony because each note only uses one element (I think the sample is stereo, so uses 2 of the available 128). You should be able to play 64 keys at the same time before any voice stealing.

I don’t think what you are hearing is normal to that voice or any of the other ES pianos. You wrote:

it seems like each element affects the lower section of the keys, middle section of the keys, and higher section of the keys.

In fact each element should only be audible within it’s zone.

I suggest you go into the editor screens and confirm the zones that I listed above.

I did some poking around on teh interwebz and looked back at your original post.

The Powergrand you are using, does this require loading samples into RAM? If so, that is completely different than what I am using which is the original Motif voice program mapped to use the ES or XF ROM samples.

I’ll try loading the sample based one and see if it is different.

OK, I loaded up the Powergrand voice that uses USR samples. The elements are programmed the same, four zones with the splits as noted above. Again, it sounds normal to me.

I bought the Yamaha sound cd 5pindin told me about, the power grand sample on the cd is not the same as the original.download the power grand sample from within here in the motifator forum it comes as a editor file to use with your pc then you have to load it in to your Es. If you can’t do it get in touch with me and I’ll email you the power grand.. This sample is small compared to the one on the cd you got and as someone pointed out it does cut through the band, it’s my main piano

Original Motif Classic factory Presets - Banks in Editor files:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050206142303/http://files.keyfax.com/download/MotifEditorData.zip
There are no samples, so when loaded to an ES, its internal ROM Waveforms are used.

Load W2E/W3E file pairs as here…
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/archive/viewthread/344491/
...and/or on page 270 of the ES Owner’s Manual.

@5pinDIN

Thanks for replying. To answer your question, when I play with headphones or with my powered speaker. I get the same sound. When I play the powergrand, it’s like added “air” on each note or like it’s trying to emulate the sound of piano hammers for a real piano. It’s not connected to any midi devices.

@meatballfulton

Thanks for your reply. Maybe I was explaining it wrong. Not really a sustaining sound but its the hammer sound I was talking about.

For the powergrand I’m using. I’m using the one on from the CD. When I load it, I think it does use samples but not wav’s. It loads the voice up in like 1 minute.

For yours that uses USR samples

@flnick
maybe that is my issue. The one on the CD is different from the one you’re using. Yes please email that to me if you can.

@5pinDIN I downloaded that and each time I try and load it it says its an illegal file and then everything on my card dissappears and I have to restart my keyboard to get everything back...within the Voice Editor which exact editor file should I be loading.

meatballfulton - 15 March 2016 06:19 AM

All I can say is that something is wrong because it didn’t do that on my ES nor does it do it on my XF (I ported all my ES voices over to the XF when I bought it).

Let me go try playing it and see if I can give you any suggestions.

Thanks for replying. To answer your question, when I play with headphones or with my powered speaker. I get the same sound. When I play the powergrand, it’s like added “air” on each note or like it’s trying to emulate the sound of piano hammers for a real piano. It’s not connected to any midi devices.

5pinDIN - 15 March 2016 11:19 PM

Original Motif Classic factory Presets - Banks in Editor files:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050206142303/http://files.keyfax.com/download/MotifEditorData.zip
There are no samples, so when loaded to an ES, its internal ROM Waveforms are used.

Load W2E/W3E file pairs as here…
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/archive/viewthread/344491/
...and/or on page 270 of the ES Owner’s Manual.

I downloaded that and each time I try and load it it says its an illegal file and then everything on my card dissappears and I have to restart my keyboard to get everything back...within the Voice Editor which exact editor file should I be loading.

orochimarulester - 17 March 2016 08:46 AM

5pinDIN - 15 March 2016 11:19 PM

Original Motif Classic factory Presets - Banks in Editor files:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050206142303/http://files.keyfax.com/download/MotifEditorData.zip
There are no samples, so when loaded to an ES, its internal ROM Waveforms are used.

Load W2E/W3E file pairs as here…
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/archive/viewthread/344491/
...and/or on page 270 of the ES Owner’s Manual.

I downloaded that and each time I try and load it it says its an illegal file and then everything on my card dissappears and I have to restart my keyboard to get everything back...within the Voice Editor which exact editor file should I be loading.

You want the P1DA.W2E and P1DA.W3E files, since PowerGrand is in the first Bank. Both files have to be available on a memory card, USB drive, or for the Editor.

Bad_Mister‘s post in the thread I linked to explains how to load complete banks directly, or use the Editor to load an individual Voice.

You might find it easier to use the MOTIF_P1.W7V and MOTIF_P1.W8V files in Mo Classic 2 ES.zip from my post in this thread:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/471646/

Another choice - download MotifPre.zip from this support article:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/motif_classic_voices_in_motif_es_voice_editor_format

5pinDIN - 17 March 2016 09:38 AM

orochimarulester - 17 March 2016 08:46 AM

5pinDIN - 15 March 2016 11:19 PM

Original Motif Classic factory Presets - Banks in Editor files:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050206142303/http://files.keyfax.com/download/MotifEditorData.zip
There are no samples, so when loaded to an ES, its internal ROM Waveforms are used.

Load W2E/W3E file pairs as here…
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/archive/viewthread/344491/
...and/or on page 270 of the ES Owner’s Manual.

I downloaded that and each time I try and load it it says its an illegal file and then everything on my card dissappears and I have to restart my keyboard to get everything back...within the Voice Editor which exact editor file should I be loading.

You want the P1DA.W2E and P1DA.W3E files, since PowerGrand is in the first Bank. Both files have to be available on a memory card, USB drive, or for the Editor.

Bad_Mister‘s post in the thread I linked to explains how to load complete banks directly, or use the Editor to load an individual Voice.

You might find it easier to use the MOTIF_P1.W7V and MOTIF_P1.W8V files in Mo Classic 2 ES.zip from my post in this thread:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/471646/

Another choice - download MotifPre.zip from this support article:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/motif_classic_voices_in_motif_es_voice_editor_format

For some reason the Editor files won’t work on my Motif ES, (perhaps probably because it’s out of date? I don’t know but The Another Choice option worked just fine, I loaded them and Voila the Powergrand sounds good, no extra added hammer noise...Thanks!

orochimarulester - 17 March 2016 06:38 PM

For some reason the Editor files won’t work on my Motif ES, (perhaps probably because it’s out of date? I don’t know but The Another Choice option worked just fine, I loaded them and Voila the Powergrand sounds good, no extra added hammer noise...Thanks!

You’re welcome! I’m glad you were able to load a version that’s what you wanted.

Did anyone ask this guy how much ram he has in his Es? If you load the files from the cd they take up a lot of ram, maybe that’s why the piano has hammer sound or the noise he is hearing, also I read somewhere that the Yamaha cd had the elements backwards there is a thread on it. But I’m tellin you if you have a pc Windows,load the studio manager it works great you can load the old motif patches in there and demo them one sound at a time, and if you like the sound you save it into your Es.also there is another guy on here that offers a ton of patches I think it’s some songwriters sounds or something it comes with the a few power grand pianos that the guy had tweeked I use his power grand + patch. I’m sure 5pindinn can tell you where to find this!