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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 09:21 AM
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On this french website there are some more details, as far as I understand

http://fr.audiofanzine.com/synthe-numerique/yamaha/montage-
76/news/a.play,n.31466.html

They name 4Gbyte waveform memory, 32 parts , sequencer & arpeggiator…

This shop has already listed it:

http://www.bax-shop.nl/nieuws-items/namm-2016-yamaha-montage-synthesizer

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 11:10 AM
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Copy-pasting the specs before they get pulled:

Dual AWM2 and FM engine digital synthesizer available in 88, 76 and 61 key-versions with arpeggiator, sequencer and MIDI DAW control via USB

sound engines: AWM2 (samples), FM-X (FM synthesis)
polyphony: 256
parts: 32
waveform memory: 4 GB
effects: 32
number of keys: 88, touch-sensitive with aftertouch
display: touch-screen (colour)
rotary encoders with LED ring: 8x
controller faders: 8x
pitch bend
modwheel
touch strip
Motion Control Synthesizer Engine for powerful interaction with sounds
Super Knob for macro-operation of several parameters at once
suitable for any music genre
colour: black
arpeggiator, sequencer
line in
line out jack, headphone
MIDI / CV
MIDI in, MIDI out, MIDI thru, MIDI over USB
Control: sustain (input), expression. (input), switch pedal (input), ribbon, aftertouch
Computer integration: functions as DAW controller

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Zo gauw de NAMM nadert ontstaan er meer en meer lekken, en synthesizers lijken altijd de reden. Vandaag is de Yamaha Montage aan de beurt, en eerlijk is eerlijk: het gáát ook echt wel ergens over! We hebben het hier over het nieuwe vlaggenschip van de Yamaha synthesizers.

Drie nieuwe vlaggenschepen

Inderdaad, het zijn er zelfs drie. Inhoudelijk dezelfde machines, maar in de uitvoeringen 61 toetsen, 76 toetsen en 88 toetsen. De looks zullen u bekend voorkomen, Yamaha houdt graag van een uitstraling die zichzelf al bewezen heeft. Want inderdaad, de populaire Motif XF is duidelijk een voorouder. De nieuwe Montage is gelukkig niet zomaar even ‘iets beter’, de nieuwe capaciteit van de Montage is enorm.
Twee klank-engines

Voor de Montage gebruikt Yamaha twee engines: AWM2 en FM-X. De AWM2-engine mag nu wel bekend worden geacht, niet waar? Deze wave-player van Yamaha zorgt ervoor dat de talloze klanken pico bello worden voortgebracht. En dan gaat het hier wel even om een kleine tienmaal de capaciteit van de Motif XF! De polyfonie is verdubbeld, en het aantal effecten is verdubbeld. In straattaal: u kunt zich flink uitleven. Het grappige is dat u zou verwachten dat u capaciteit onbenut gaat laten, maar uiteindelijk gaat u alles echt wel gebruiken. Wat u uiteindelijk zult ervaren is dat uw muziekproducties simpelweg beter gaan klinken.
FM-synthese

De andere engine, FM-X, is een echte FM-engine. FM-synthese was al bijzonder toen het werd ontdekt, het werd in 1983 een commercieel succes door de Yamaha DX7, en in de periode erna bleef het bij vlagen populair. De reden voor deze populariteit is eigenlijk heel eenvoudig: deze synthesemethode is uiterst expressief en gedraagt zich erg muzikaal. Dat deze engine in deze Montage zit, in combinatie met de AWM2-engine, is een sterke zet van Yamaha. Het is verleidelijk om te beweren dat u nooit meer een andere synthesizer nodig heeft. Over een paar jaar zult u echter zien dat Yamaha het tegendeel gaat bewijzen. Maar voor nu is het natuurlijk helemaal top!
Bediening

De bediening is weer prima voor mekaar. Links de faders en LED-encoders, rechts het managementgedeelte. In het midden zit ditmaal een zeer fraai touch-display, in kleur. Hiermee navigeert u eenvoudigweg door de Montage heen, en eigenlijk hoort dit ook gewoon helemaal thuis in 2016. De nieuwe Super Knob is een speciale encoder die meerdere klankparameters tegelijkertijd kan aansturen.
Mogelijkheden genoeg dus om u jaren mee te amuseren, met recht het nieuwe vlaggenschip. De Yamaha Montage is weer precies een reden om te gaan twijfelen tussen hardware en software. Want met zo’n instrument is dit beslist nog geen gelopen race! Het is zielig voor uw spaarvarken, maar u en de Montage verdienen elkaar. Houd een oogje op de productpagina’s voor de actuele leverdata en prijzen.

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 11:50 AM
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Jote - 14 January 2016 11:10 AM

[...]
MIDI / CV
MIDI in, MIDI out, MIDI thru, MIDI over USB
[...]

Hmmm, “CV” as in “Control Voltage”?

 

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Control: sustain (input), [removed]input), switch pedal (input), ribbon, aftertouch[...]

That would be:
Control: sustain (input), expression {input}, switch pedal (input), ribbon, aftertouch

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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Yamaha Forums

http://www.yamahaforums.co.uk/index.php/78-news/latest-news/241-yamaha-montage-is-this-yamaha-s-new-synth

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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5pinDIN, thanks, I will edit my post (looks like css/javascript injection protection)

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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I’m really curious about the specs on this new workstation.  It says it has FM X.  I wonder if it will have 6 operators and 32 algorithms like a true DX7.  Or, will it only have 4 operators?

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 04:10 PM
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kb420 - 14 January 2016 03:44 PM

I’m really curious about the specs on this new workstation.  It says it has FM X.  I wonder if it will have 6 operators and 32 algorithms like a true DX7.  Or, will it only have 4 operators?

Well, 4-operator/8-algorithm FM isn’t as bad as it’s sometimes made out to be, because there are 8 waveforms, while the DX7 is sine only.

I’m actually hoping for more than what the DX7 offered, because it’s monotimbral (the DX7II is dual timbral) and only 16-note polyphonic.

Compatibility with 4-op and/or 6-op patches would be nice, since there are a lot of good ones out there, but the “X” might imply a lot more.

We’ll see…

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 05:31 PM
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“Compatible with Motif XF libraries.” No onboard sampler? A souped-up MOXF? Not a replacement for Motif XF but a new product line leveraging Reface engines?  Hmmmm.

If priced right, time to upgrade my MOX.

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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Sure, while this is conjecture squared …

- What does the 32 parts reference?
- Do you think the 4GB waveform is the user editable integrated flash? (It said the preset waveform was almost 10* Xf size.)
- Perhaps the CV is simply expression pedal jack?

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It’s kind of neat that last year Yamaha returned Sequential’s name. Just recently, DSI added “DX-style” linear FM to the Prophet 12. And now, possibly, Yamaha returns with a solid FM synthesis platform. It’s very neat to have this vantage point of history unfolding. These instruments are interwoven into humanity. And we can participate in the weaving.

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 09:47 PM
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foleycore21 - 14 January 2016 08:14 AM

What’s happening kday? Pumpin the beats out? Keep it comin, bro.


On to the subject of this thread, it seems the so-called spoiler is from a fake, the original spiel it was extracted from is below…

“NEW PRODUCTS Yamaha Montage Synth, Based On Entirely New Technology user interface with color touch screen, endless rotary encoders and the Super Knob: a macro control allowing users to control multiple parameters simultaneously. “Montage is the culmination of over forty years of synthesizer legacy and innovation,” said Nate Tschetter, marketing manager, music production, Yamaha Corporation of America. “Playing and experiencing Montage is, quite simply, inspiring.” Anaheim Marriott Marquis Ballroom http://4wrd.it/Montage Yamaha’s Montage contains two discrete sound engines for expanded tonal flexibility. VATER TACKY SACK VATER PERCUSSION’S new Tacky Sack Grip Enhancer, the first product of its kind to be marketed to the drumming world, features a sack of grip-enhancing rosin powder that absorbs moisture and provides drummers additional control of their drumsticks while performing in humid and sweaty conditions. Gently “clapping” hands on the Tacky Sack applies rosin powder to the palms. A cord is included to hang Tacky Sack from a snare drum, stick bag, or hard-ware. “Once again, Vater knows just what I need, even before I do,” said Slipknot’s Jay Weinberg. “Especially in intense, sweaty environments, Tacky Sack allows me to lose myself in the vibe of a song without worrying if I’m going to send a stick flying from my palms. My grip relaxes, and I’m better able to avoid carpal tunnel-like problems. Tacky Sack lets me thrash with complete control.” Marilyn Manson’s Gil Sharone added, GRIP ENHANCER YAMAHA’S NEW MONTAGE synth offers unprecedented ways for keyboard players to control and interact with sound. For more than 40 years, Yamaha has developed industry-leading synthesizers, from the revolutionary DX7 in the 1980s to the renowned Motif series, one of the best-selling synthesizers of all time. The Montage, available in 61-, 76-, and 88-key configurations, features the Motion Control Synthesizer Engine, a powerful and intuitive way to interact with and control sound. The Motion Control Synthesizer Engine controls two iconic Sound Engines: Advanced Wave Memory 2 (AWM2) and FM-X. Compatible with previous generation Motif libraries, the AWM2 engine is exponentially more powerful than the previous Motif XF flagship with nearly ten times more wave memory, integrated flash, double the effects, and twice the polyphony. Joining the powerful AWM2 engine is FM-X. A sophisticated pure FM (Frequency Modulation) synthesizer engine is capable of producing classic ‘80s or cutting-edge EDM sound with excellent dynamic range, power, and fidelity. Montage also features a brand new Vater Tacky Sack Grip Enhancer. 224 MUSIC TRADES February 2016”


PS: Hey Yamaha, just release the fargen thing already; geeezz? Oh, and will it have more than a single EDM clap sample in it this time??? LOL

foleycore21, my buddy!

Where have you been bro? lol

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Posted on: January 14, 2016 @ 11:00 PM
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Ah, the 32 parts relates to the XF’s 16 parts in Master Mode. … I have yet to use that aspect of the XF, so it’s not even on my mind.

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Posted on: January 15, 2016 @ 03:16 AM
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@5pinDIN, I also hope and sort of expect that FM-X means more than FM a la DX7 or DX11 (or reface).

For me people are thinking too retro, in the forums its always like “will it include AN1X, will it include DX7, will it be like FS1R” etc. Seems like people (in the forums) would be happy if Yamaha presented a Synth which would just be the addition of all they had done in the past.

I would prefer if they would show some new ideas, presented in a stringent and well thought through concept. It does not have to include every synthesis method ever done.

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Posted on: January 15, 2016 @ 04:27 AM
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More info (apparently copied from Yamaha USA website, pulled since then)

“An amazingly sophisticated pure synthesizer engine capable of producing classic ‘80s or cutting-edge EDM sound with incredible dynamic range, power and fidelity. MONTAGE features an 8-operator FM architecture and 128-note polyphony, allowing for a massive array of sound design options.

Powered by proprietary Yamaha technology for data compression and sound playback, AWM2 allows tremendous data compression without sound quality loss for unparalleled, realistic sound reproduction.

・128-Note, Stereo polyphony
Experience rich stereo sound without halving the available number of notes.

・Waveform Capacity
MONTAGE features nearly 10 times the waveform capacity of the MOTIF XF, allowing more samples per instrument for incredibly realistic and nuanced sound.

・Integrated Flash Memory
MONTAGE includes 1.75 GB of user flash memory with high speed reading/writing for your own custom samples or synth libraries from yamahasynth.com.

Connect MONTAGE to your computer with a single USB cable and capture every nuance of your creativity into your DAW. MONTAGE’s powerful USB driver can send 16 and receive 3 channels of STEREO 24 bit/44.1 kHz digital audio to/from your computer or iOS device (MONTAGE is class compliant, no driver needed!), no other hardware required!

The USB connection also features full MIDI support of 16 channels.

* MONTAGE supports the sampling rate up to 192 kHz.

The Envelope Follower converts audio into a control source for control of virtually any synthesizer parameter. For example, a drum loop could drive effects parameters for a cool rhythms or a vocal recording could control multiple parameters for a “talking” synthesizer. The audio can even be a “live” source through the A/D input.”

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Posted on: January 15, 2016 @ 04:31 AM
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Even more, courtessy of Gearslutz users (1/2)

“Motion Control Synthesis Engine unifies and controls two iconic Sound Engines: AWM2 (high-quality waveform and subtractive synthesis) and FM-X (modern, pure Frequency Modulation synthesis.) These two engines can be freely zoned or layered across eight parts in a single MONTAGE Performance.

Interact with MONTAGE Performances using Motion Control: a highly programmable control matrix for creating deep, dynamic and incredibly expressive sound. With Motion Control, you can create new sounds not possible on previous hardware synthesizers.

1. Sophisticated Dynamic Control

Music is expression. MONTAGE adds a new level of expression with the Motion Control Synthesis Engine. This engine allows a variety of methods to interact with and channel your creativity into finding your own unique sound.

- Super Knob

Create dynamic sound changes from radical to sublime with the Super Knob. The Super Knob can control multiple parameters simultaneously resulting in anything you can imagine.

For example: change your listening position from right in front of an instrument to in the back seat of a concert hall. Or radically change the character of a Performance from atmospheric and mellow to rhythmic and edgy.

The Super Knob can even be assigned to a second FC7 foot controller making it easy to manipulate the sound when playing with both hands.

- Motion SEQ

Motion Sequences are tempo-synchronized, completely customizable control sequences that can be assigned to virtually any synthesizer parameter and provide incredible creative new ways of programming sound.

Motion Sequences also have dedicated controls on the front panel making it easy to manipulate and change in real-time, providing incredible interactivity and expression.
- Envelope Follower

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The Envelope Follower converts audio into a control source for control of virtually any synthesizer parameter. For example, a drum loop could drive effects parameters for a cool rhythms or a vocal recording could control multiple parameters for a “talking” synthesizer. The audio can even be a “live” source through the A/D input.

2. Massive Sound Creation

MONTAGE features two Iconic Sound Engines modernized for amazing sound playback and complex sound design.

- AWM2

Powered by proprietary Yamaha technology for data compression and sound playback, AWM2 allows tremendous data compression without sound quality loss for unparalleled, realistic sound reproduction.

・128-Note, Stereo polyphony
Experience rich stereo sound without halving the available number of notes.

・Waveform Capacity
MONTAGE features nearly 10 times the waveform capacity of the MOTIF XF, allowing more samples per instrument for incredibly realistic and nuanced sound.

・Integrated Flash Memory
MONTAGE includes 1.75 GB of user flash memory with high speed reading/writing for your own custom samples or synth libraries from yamahasynth.com.

- FM-X

An amazingly sophisticated pure synthesizer engine capable of producing classic ‘80s or cutting-edge EDM sound with incredible dynamic range, power and fidelity. MONTAGE features an 8-operator FM architecture and 128-note polyphony, allowing for a massive array of sound design options.
- Content

Every instrument needs great content to inspire your creativity. MONTAGE features a huge range of incredible sounds like a brand-new Yamaha CFX Premium Grand Piano, detailed new strings and woodwinds and select content from the DX and TX family, all modernized to take advantage of the Motion Control Synthesis Engine.

・Compatibility
MONTAGE is directly compatible with Motif XF Voices. Yamaha is developing an FM converter to make it compatible with DX7 series Voices as well.

・Bösendorfer Piano
As part of the MONTAGE introduction, Yamaha is pleased to offer an incredible Bösendorfer Imperial Premium Grand Piano.

- Effects

From high definition reverbs to incredibly detailed Virtual Circuit Modeling (VCM) effects, MONTAGE is loaded with DSP innovation, power and, most importantly, sound quality. Use effects like Beat Repeat, Vinyl Break or Bit Crusher to get a modern EDM sound. You can even add a compressor with sidechain for a modern “ducking” effect. Or go retro with vintage effects like Analog Delay, VCM Phaser or a variety of Amp Simulators. Piano players will appreciate piano-focused effects like Damper Resonance for a super-realistic piano experience and the HD reverbs that let you put yourself in any performance space.
- Pure Analog Circuit

MONTAGE features professional balanced outputs with “Pure Analog Circuit” (PAC). PAC improves the quality of signal after being converted to analog from digital for clear harmonic reproduction and even frequency response. The result is an output capable of reproducing MONTAGE’s internal content expressively with power and clarity.”

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“3. Streamlined Workflow

How do you want to integrate your instrument with your system? How do you want to organize the onboard content? How do you want to interact with the instrument while you play? MONTAGE answers these questions and more with a flexible, streamlined workflow.

- USB Audio/MIDI Connection

Connect MONTAGE to your computer with a single USB cable and capture every nuance of your creativity into your DAW. MONTAGE’s powerful USB driver can send 16 and receive 3 channels of STEREO 24 bit/44.1 kHz digital audio to/from your computer or iOS device (MONTAGE is class compliant, no driver needed!), no other hardware required!

The USB connection also features full MIDI support of 16 channels.

* MONTAGE supports the sampling rate up to 192 kHz.
- SSS (Seamless Sound Switching)

Seamless Sound Switching (SSS) lets you change performances seamlessly without any cut-off in envelope or effects. This is perfect for live performances where you end one song and start another without stopping.

* This function is only available for Performances that have a maximum of 8 parts.
- A/D Input

The A/D input processes external audio sources with your instrument’s DSP. Use mics, guitars or any line source as an input and process with the internal effects.

You can even use these sources with the Envelope Follower or Sidechain for a truly unique sound.
- Physical Control

Eight Rotary Encoders and Faders with Stepladder LED

MONTAGE features a comprehensive set of physical controls for intuitive music making and sound creation.

・Touch Screen
Select and change parameters directly with the new color touch screen.

・Eight Rotary Encoders and Faders with Stepladder LED
Stepladder LEDs next to the faders indicate position making it easy to see where your current mix position is.

・Keyboard Action
MONTAGE is available in three different configurations:

MONTAGE6 and 7 feature the premium FSX semi-weighted synthesizer action with aftertouch in 61 and 76 keys respectively.

MONTAGE8 features an 88 key, fully-weighted Balanced Hammer action with aftertouch. This provides equal resistance for each key across the keyboard and is perfect for playing a variety of instruments from acoustic piano to electric piano, synth sounds, organ and more!

- LIVE SET

Live Set lets you organize your Performances however you want without copying, changing order or renaming. When a Performance is selected, you can easily register it to a Live Set. This is perfect for playing gigs or even creating your own organization scheme for Performances.
- Direct Control Assignment

Direct Control Assignment assigns controls at the touch of a button. Simply select a parameter, hit the Direct Control Assignment button and move the controller to control that parameter. It’s easy!
- Cubase AI bundle

MONTAGE is bundled with Cubase AI, Steinberg’s professional music production application that offers integrated recording and editing.”

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