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| pblais
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Using the rack editor, I find that the volume of any given note is considerably louder when I click on the virtual keyboard than when I play the same note on my MIDI keyboard.. And I have the volume control on my MIDI keyboard turned all the way up and the expression pedal all the way as loud as it can go.
Thanks
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Stephen Kay
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Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
When you click on the keys in the Editor, if I recall correctly (not in front of it right now), the position of the mouse on the key controls the velocity the key is played with. If you click all the way towards the bottom end (I think), it will be loud, and softer as you go up the key vertically. It’s quite possible that when you are clicking at the bottom end of the key, you are generating notes with a velocity of 127 (the highest possible value) - which would be like hammering your controller keyboard with everything you’ve got. And in fact, some controller keyboards, no matter how hard you hit them, make it very difficult to get up to 127 or not at all. So, it’s possible that clicking on the Editor’s keyboard is generating notes much harder than you are playing them on the keyboard - hence, they are “louder”. You could test this by taking an example voice and removing all velocity sensitivity from the filters and the amp section, so that whether you play the note hard or soft it’s the same volume - and I bet then that the Editor’s MIDI Keys and your controller will sound the same level. EDIT: additional information: If you go into the Editor’s File > Setup, there is a preference setting for how the keys on the MIDI keyboard work: they can be velocity sensitive (like I explained above, which would be the “Free” mode), or you can set a fixed velocity level which defaults to 100. You might check that, and play around with it.
- Stephen Kay
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| pblais
Total Posts: 95
Joined 03-05-2015 status: Experienced |
Thanks Stephen..
But, when I tried File > Setup, and set the keyboard velocity to fixed, I wasn’t able to get any difference in volume from each extreme. If I set it to 1 or 127, it always sounded the same. Any ideas?
Cheers
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5pinDIN
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Many controller keyboards have adjustable key velocity. In a previous thread you mention M-Audio - which one? |
| Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
That’s right - that’s what fixed means. If you set it to fixed and 100, it will always send a velocity of 100 regardless of where you click on the note. It means that there is no variation on the virtual keyboard and it always sends the same velocity. Some people might prefer it that way - for example, if it starts to bug you that it sounds softer/louder depending where you click on the key. Now, if you’re saying that “fixed” with “1” sounds the same as “fixed” with “127” - then it might be that the voice you have selected is not velocity sensitive. Like an organ voice, maybe. Try it with a piano. I will admit that I’ve never used this setting, so I don’t know if it works or not. I’ve been explaining the theory of it. ;-)
- Stephen Kay
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| pblais
Total Posts: 95
Joined 03-05-2015 status: Experienced |
Keystation 88 |
| pblais
Total Posts: 95
Joined 03-05-2015 status: Experienced |
That’s exactly what I am saying. And, as you suggested, I suspected a non velocity sensitive voice. But it does the same on organ or piano. It’s not a big deal. I don’t use the virtual keyboard anyway. Thanks for the help
Cheers
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| Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
So then, what is this entire thread about? Am I nuts, or was it about you wondering why the virtual keyboard was louder than your controller? :-) |
| 5pinDIN
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Is that the exact model? For example, the 88es doesn’t have any velocity curve settings, while the Pro 88 does.
If you need a different velocity curve and your controller doesn’t have the capability, one of these could help:
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| pblais
Total Posts: 95
Joined 03-05-2015 status: Experienced |
I was about me wondering if that volume difference being caused by something wrong. And now I know there is nothing wrong and, in the process, I learned something more about the >File >setup screen. Thanks |
| pblais
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Yes, Keystation 88 is the exact model. It is not an 88es or Pro 88. check this site:
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| Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
I see - no problem. Good luck! :-)
- Stephen Kay
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| 5pinDIN
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It isn’t just a matter of volume level. If your controller is incapable of hitting velocity levels of near 127, then what you play will likely be missing the dynamics (and perhaps more) the XS can deliver. In many cases, you won’t even get to hear some Elements of a Voice at all, since they aren’t triggered below certain velocity levels. I’d suggest experimenting with the Editor’s virtual keyboard using several different XS Voices, and if things sound better/different to you at high velocity, consider doing something to increase the velocity level the XS sees. |
| Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
One thing you could do is use a MIDI-monitoring application on your computer to view the velocities coming from your keyboard and see what the levels are like, if you are interested.
Windows: http://www.midiox.com
- Stephen Kay
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| Olveria
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It’s funda galaxy A5 quite possible that when you are clicking funda piel galaxy s6 edge at the bottom end of the key, you are generating notes with a velocity of 127. |
| pblais
Total Posts: 95
Joined 03-05-2015 status: Experienced |
OMG.... I didn’t understand how much of a piece of s**t this M-Audio keyboard is.
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