I think I’m using the right term, when I say artifacts.
gotta problem. would someone please help me with this?

here’s whats going on.
I am playing a PERFORMANCE.
its called Rodovia (USER 4, H 8).
I substituted PART 4.
(I think factory it was Sweeper.)
I changed it to Opening. (its PRE 5, C 15.)
really fun to play.
but, there are bad sounds.
like static sounds. not all the time. but often.
and very prominent. and not pleasing sounding. at all.
I am guessing that it is caused by limitations of the Motif XF8.
I am guessing that it is running out of Memory or something of that nature.
in Edit, the Parameter with Voice box was unchecked.
I tried checking it. made no difference.
(wonder if I needed to do another step? I don’t think so.)
so, maybe just life in the big city.
any help, greatly appreciated.
thanks,
Chas

I am not familiar with the VOICE, and don’t have a machine available to check it out, but the first thing I would do is open the VOICE in VOICE Mode, and check out the elements individually and the insert effects, commonly.

There are samples that were recorded intentionally with buzzes, pops, and other analog anomalies as part of the effect…

...and, there are insert effects that mimic these noises to replicate old vinyl records, old radio broadcasts, old movie soundtracks, etc.

I would first suspect these sounds to be intentionally there in some way.

Isolate each Voice in turn to see where the problem lies (select/mute the parts or simply use the first four sliders.

It’s actually pretty tough to make the Motif not work properly, or push it beyond its limits. Most ‘problems’ are due to the user having done something they didn’t intend to do or weren’t aware they were doing.

Once you can isolate the Voice that’s causing you trouble, see if has an effect on it that’s not appropriate or that you didn’t realize was being applied.

If this doesn’t help you solve the problem it should at least give you some idea where the problem is.

Good luck!

cmayhle you’re just too darn quick!!

chasmanian - 03 February 2015 07:10 PM

I am playing a PERFORMANCE.
its called Rodovia (USER 4, H 8).
I substituted PART 4.
(I think factory it was Sweeper.)
I changed it to Opening. (its PRE 5, C 15.)
really fun to play.
but, there are bad sounds.
like static sounds.[...]

When you replace one Voice with another in a Performance Part, several settings remain, even if you turn on Parameter with Voice.

Edit Part 4. Mid and High EQ Gain are not flat - in fact the High is at +12dB. I’d start by setting both at 0dB.

Next, Volume is set at 86 - set it lower until the “static” is gone at the velocity you’re playing at.

By the way, what you’re hearing can be duplicated in PRE5 C15. Output Level Volume is initially set to 75 - try setting it to 127, and you should certainly hear it.

thank you very much cmayhle, MM, and 5pinDIN.
I have been working on it.

here’s what I have found:
in Performance Mode, when I play the Rodovia selection, and substitute the Opening Voice for Part 4, there is a problem.

please try and do exactly what I am saying here. you will hear it.
press the notes for the Part 4 Voice (which you have just changed to
Opening: Preset 5 C 15).
if you strike keys in its range (starting at C3), and keep holding the note down, the aftertouch distorts, breaks up, makes an artifact.
it is not good.
I susbstituted the “Opening” Voice into Parts of other Performances.
no problem.
I also did not hear this problem sound when playing the Opening Voice in Voice Mode.
any help greatly appreciated.
don’t know what to do.

chasmanian - 03 February 2015 09:38 PM

[...]please try and do exactly what I am saying here. you will hear it.
[...] don’t know what to do.

Please reread my previous post. I already had done the Voice substitution, did hear the result, and explained how to fix it. I also mentioned how the same problem could be made to occur in the Preset Voice.

Do you need step-by-step directions to edit Part 4 Volume and EQ?

oh wow.
thank you very much 5pinDIN.
I am re-reading your post now.
I will try to edit Part 4 Volume and EQ now.
thank you for your awesome help and patience.

update:  just worked on it.
experimented a little.
fascinating. I had no clue.
so much I don’t know.
thank you again 5pinDIN and cmayhle and MM.

chasmanian - 03 February 2015 07:10 PM

...in Edit, the Parameter with Voice box was unchecked.  I tried checking it. made no difference....

Just so you know for future operations, you cannot simply check and un-check the Parameter with Voice at any time and expect a desired condition to result.

The Parameter with Voice needs to be checked BEFORE you bring the VOICE into the PART.

See this post, from This Thread, for some insight on timing, with regard to selecting Parameter with Voice (the information applies to PERFORMANCE Mode as well):

Click thumbnail to see full-size image

thank you cmayhle.
that is super helpful indeed.

chasmanian - 03 February 2015 10:30 PM

oh wow.
thank you very much 5pinDIN.
I am re-reading your post now.
I will try to edit Part 4 Volume and EQ now.
thank you for your awesome help and patience.

update:  just worked on it.
experimented a little.
fascinating. I had no clue.
so much I don’t know.
thank you again 5pinDIN and cmayhle and MM.

You’re welcome. Experimenting is one of the best ways to learn, and as long as you make backups, there’s nothing to lose.

I looked into the situation a bit more. The problem originates in Element 2 of the Opening Voice. Here’s one approach…
Edit “Opening”, Element 2 Amplitude Level. Change it from 96 to 60. In Common Edit, change the Volume from 75 to 105 - that will bring the overall level of the Voice closer to what it was previously. Store the edited Voice in a User location. It should probably be renamed “New Opening”, or something else that will make it obvious it’s not the original Voice.

In Part 4 of the edited Rodovia performance, select the “New Opening” User Voice. Set the EQ flat (0dB) as I previously mentioned. Set the Volume of Part 4 to 73.

That seems to prevent overloading at any key velocity. If the arpeggiated Parts (1/2/3) are too loud relative to part 4, their Volume could be reduced a bit.

awesome.
I will certainly try that.
you are soooooo generous.

hi 5pinDIN,
I tried everything you suggested again.
it works.
but it loses too much of the amazing stuff about the Opening Voice.
the whirling, spinning, going around in a circle (trying my best to describe the sound), as well as the beautiful tone is gone.
I don’t know much, but if I were to guess, it sounds like XF just plain runs out of processing power.
I’m only guessing.
I’m guessing that a solution would be to have 2 XF’s. one to play 3 of the Voices in the Performance.
and another XF for only playing the Opening Voice.
well, as nice of a solution as it might be, its not gonna happen.  because of money and space. lol
alright, so that said, would you please tell me if you have any more ideas about how make this could work?
it would be soooooo awesome!!!!
thanks 5pinDIN,
Charlie

chasmanian - 10 December 2016 01:12 PM

[...] would you please tell me if you have any more ideas about how make this could work?[...]

A stage is being overloaded due to excessive level.

Perhaps this approach will accomplish what you want for the Opening Voice you’re using for Part 4 in Rodovia…

As you’ve done previously:
Start with unedited Opening and Rodovia.
Substitute Opening for the Voice in Part 4.

Then edit Part 4 as follows:
Press [EDIT] > [4] > [F1](Voice) > [SF3](Other)
Reduce Velocity Sens Depth from 64 to 45
Reduce Offset from 64 to 45

That seems to work for me, but you could try slightly different values if 45 doesn’t meet your needs.

I hope that helps.

you are awesome!!!
thank you.
so psyched to try it!!

I hope my suggestion will live up to your enthusiasm!

you are very generous and very kind 5pinDIN.