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Posted on: December 26, 2014 @ 05:29 PM
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Hi everyone,

I used to have Motif ES that I sold and upgraded to XS and also got an ES rack.

I am looking to recreate a demo pattern that came with ES called “Chill Out”. I believe ES Rack has same voices and ARPs but does not have pattern mode.

I need help from any ES owner in 2 things:

1- Mix Voice data in “Chill Out” pattern to see which voice is assigned to which channel.
2- For each section (A-H) of Chill Out pattern, need to know which ARP number is assigned on which channel (screenshot attached)

It will be great if someone can take rough screenshots of Motif ES display with cell phone and share the images here.

Otherwise if anyone can redirect me to any online available manual or data list with this information, this will be great.

Thanks in advance for this help.

motif7user

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Posted on: December 26, 2014 @ 11:14 PM
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Hopefully you’ll get help from an ES owner - I have an XS6 and an XF6, but no ES.

Since you have an XS, the following might be of use in reconstructing the data you need…

An original ES “All” file, which can be loaded to the XS:
http://papanix.free.fr/dl/original_es.zip
Copy both the .W7A and .W8A files to a USB flash drive.

A thread explaining some limitations:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/archive/viewthread/397183/

A thread in which I suggest a link to getting ES Voices which can be loaded to an XS:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/464171/
Since the XS has three User Voice banks, of course only that many of the ES Presets can be loaded at once.

At a minimum, you should be able to load the ES “All” file and determine Arp names and Voice numbers for the Parts.

These might be helpful in finding equivalent Arps, etc., from one model to another…

ES Data List:
http://download.yamaha.com/file/7402

Rack ES Data List:
http://download.yamaha.com/file/6971

XS Data Lists:
http://download.yamaha.com/file/8622
http://download.yamaha.com/file/8315

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Posted on: December 27, 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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Hi 5pinDIN,

Thanks for detailed response and links.

I tried loading the ES factory data into XS7 and got all the voice data as in attached screenshot, but it comes with blank sequence/patch data for Chill Out.

Actually all patterns other than “New R&B;” (01) comes as blank. Any idea how can I get the ARP or Patch numbers show up in XS?

I tried both loading “ALL” and “Patterns” but it comes as blank in both.

Thanks again :-)

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Posted on: December 27, 2014 @ 06:32 PM
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This is a massive undertaking. I’ll give it a shot, it might take a bit.

Stone

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Posted on: December 27, 2014 @ 09:49 PM
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Chill Out does not use arpeggios. Sadly it uses Preset Phrases which the XS does not have.
A drag for sure.

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Posted on: December 27, 2014 @ 10:20 PM
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Part/Voice numbers can be seen by going into MIXING mode.
When an ES file is loaded into an XS or XF, “they do the best they can”.

Here’s what I found, along with the names from the ES Data List for those Voice locations:
1) PRE5 109 A.J.
2) PDR 002 DryStandard
3) PDR 029 Break Kit
4) PRE5 012 Fat Sine
5) PRE5 105 Cool Tech
6) PRE5 022 Pro-Atack
7) PRE3 029 StereoHarp
8) PRE5 049 Willows
9) PRE4 106 OrbitSine
10) PRE1 035 Early 70’s
11) PRE2 023 Nylon+Harm
12) PRE3 124 SweetFlute
13) PRE4 013 WhereAmI?
14) GM 095 Halo Pad
15) PRE3 001 2 Violins
16) GM 025 Velo Nylon

I realized that “Chill Out” and those Voices seemed familiar, so I took a look at the XS factory Mixing Templates. Sure enough, Template 25 is “Chill Out”, and if you initialize a Pattern Mixing and recall ("Get") that Template, the Voices assigned to the Parts are either named identically to the ones in the ES “Chill Out” Pattern, or are obviously “the best the XS can do”. (See page 238 of the XS Owner’s Manual for details of recalling a Mixing Template.)

That got me looking at the Rack ES Data List again, where I found that the Multis looked awfully familiar as well. Gee, number 25 is called “Chill Out”. I suspect selecting that one would assign the correct 16 Voices.

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Posted on: December 27, 2014 @ 11:06 PM
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stoneb3 - 27 December 2014 09:49 PM

Chill Out does not use arpeggios. Sadly it uses Preset Phrases which the XS does not have.
A drag for sure.

That would seem to be a problem. The Rack ES doesn’t have them either - it has “Audition Phrases”.

The only other thing I can add is that when the ES “Chill Out” Pattern is loaded to the XS, the following Arps are set up…
For Part 1 ("Switch" is set to “on"):
Arp1 6197 MB_Chill Out
Arp2 6196 MA_Chill Out
Arp3 6214 MD_Ibiza
Arp4 6213 MC_Ibiza
Arp5 6119 MA_Step Seq

For Parts 2~16 ("Switch" is set to “off"):
Arp1 0615 MA_Pf Arp1
Arps 2~5 are off

The above can be seen from Mixing mode. Again, that’s apparently the best the XS can do to emulate the ES Pattern.

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Posted on: December 28, 2014 @ 12:34 AM
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5pinDIN - 27 December 2014 10:20 PM

Gee, number 25 is called “Chill Out”.

I can see Maxwell Smart proclaiming this to Agent 99.

I loaded a .W7P file and hunted down the voices. I found most on board and loaded the others from a .W7V, then discovered the phrases. I wish I started there first.  There’s 16 of them, Dr3 102-117, and are listed in the data manual under Preset Phrases. They appear to be simple but I have suspicions of that.
I’ll go your route and see what the arps sound like. I do wonder if the Phrases can be bulked to a sequencer.

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Posted on: December 28, 2014 @ 12:52 PM
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stoneb3 - 28 December 2014 12:34 AM
5pinDIN - 27 December 2014 10:20 PM

Gee, number 25 is called “Chill Out”.

I can see Maxwell Smart proclaiming this to Agent 99.[...]

Was that too obvious?  :-)

Apparently the Motif Classic had only 16 Mixing Template locations, but the ES and beyond have 32 and those factory-provided Templates are named the same from the ES on. Of course, since the Voices can differ in the various models, the Templates assign ones to the Parts that are closest to those in the ES.

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Posted on: December 29, 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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Thanks everyone for interesting comments, it refreshed my memory on the difference between patch and ARP.

The pre-defined template in the XS did the job for voice selection. For sequence data, I tried recording the MIDI output of my PSR3000 Chill Out pattern in Cubase and played it through XS.

I was able to assign different MIDI channels to the XS mixing templates and play the patterns to close what I wanted. There is lots of extra expression data, like brightness etc in PSR3000 that does not sound good on XS, however removing controller data through Cubase makes it sound better.

I still wish if I could get the original pattern of ES Chill Out, preferably in MIDI file format that I can just play through XS mixing template and get more original results.

Thanks again everyone :-)

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Posted on: December 29, 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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This is a short MP3 demo of what I have been able to achieve yet through the XS Chill Out Mix Template and PSR3000 MIDI data.

It sounds little different but good enough :-)

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Posted on: December 29, 2014 @ 06:54 PM
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motif7user - 29 December 2014 06:30 PM

This is a short MP3 demo of what I have been able to achieve yet through the XS Chill Out Mix Template and PSR3000 MIDI data.

It sounds little different but good enough :-)

Although I don’t know what the original ES Pattern sounded like, what you posted sounds good to me.

By the way, have you tried feeding the MIDI data to your Rack ES, which has “Chill Out” as Multi #25. That might get you Voices closer to the original, if the XS ones are off a bit.

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