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Vhz
Total Posts: 73
Joined 03-27-2007 status: Experienced |
Listened to demos on YouTube of tyros 5, the expression of voices especially saxophones and sounds and patterns of ‘live’ drums is amazing. How close does motif xf comes to tyros in terms of sounds especially drums, brass, woodwinds, basses and acoustic guitars ? I listened to demos of motif xf and checked it out at the store, but found it falling way behind tyros 5.
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5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
Yamaha might be willing to resolve the situation if they could convince workstation purchasers to pay as much as arranger owners do. :-) |
Vhz
Total Posts: 73
Joined 03-27-2007 status: Experienced |
Well, if yamaha would remove the styles it should be 1/3 price lower. Arranger players can afford these expensive tyroses cuz that’s basically their whole set up, unlike workstation musicians who have quality studio monitors and computers and sound modules costing twice as much all together than a tyros. But I know a lot of musicians who have tyros just for its sounds that don’t even use styles or it’s onboard sequencer. Maybe yamaha should change their strategy and not the end users. Because musicians will buy a better keyboard. If they put better sounds in a tyros they will buy a tyros instead of a motif. That’s why maybe tyros sales are higher than motif. If motif had tyros sounds perhaps motif would be selling better than tyros. |
Vhz
Total Posts: 73
Joined 03-27-2007 status: Experienced |
Yamaha would have had a more successful product if they would of just made a motif xf a tyros without an auto accompaniment. Why have 2 different technologies (Xa and sa2) when one completely better than the other? And why put a better technology in an entertainment keyboard instead of a professional workstation?? Absurd |
SAMM
Total Posts: 32
Joined 08-19-2014 status: Regular |
I Think the very best for all workstation users would be a Sound-Expander-Rack with the sounds in TYROS-quality. I´m hoping for this since the release of Tyros-IV - SAMM - |
abdol
Total Posts: 318
Joined 05-30-2012 status: Enthusiast |
I don’t have enough knowledge to say which technology Yamaha is using in Tyros SA/SA2 but my very humble speculation is it sounds very similar to VL series with minor improvements such as better sample sets… Just saying and I’d be happy to know if it’s the case or not. |
SAMM
Total Posts: 32
Joined 08-19-2014 status: Regular |
Hallo abdol,
So, you cannot compare SA with VL, its totally different!
Greetings
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I_Too_Say_So_Long
Total Posts: 728
Joined 09-20-2011 status: Guru |
WOW!
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SAMM
Total Posts: 32
Joined 08-19-2014 status: Regular |
Hey man,
So help me to understand what you are trying to tell to me!!!
Kind regards
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I_Too_Say_So_Long
Total Posts: 728
Joined 09-20-2011 status: Guru |
You work well with English!
...I was just surprised at what you said, and how you said it.
It sounded like a ‘Repair Technician’ or someone that works at Yamaha! :)
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SAMM
Total Posts: 32
Joined 08-19-2014 status: Regular |
Well, yamahaFan,
So I might to be “yamahaFan v.II”!
Keep on rocking,
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I_Too_Say_So_Long
Total Posts: 728
Joined 09-20-2011 status: Guru |
Vielen Dank! Ich dachte du wärst im ‘Geschäft’ :)
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abdol
Total Posts: 318
Joined 05-30-2012 status: Enthusiast |
Hey my friend I understand that VL does physical modeling and I know it’s not sample based. But some of the effects are similar to physical modeling effects.
To give a better description, just play C3 and then use pitch bend on it, then right after that, play the equivalent note you bended the pitch to. They will sound different.
If you look at the VL one instruments and their effects you’ll see there are some common ones (at least the one I’ve seen). So my humble guess is Tyros uses wavetables but at the same time it uses some of the effects from VL series to generate those nice instrumental effects. Then again this is just a speculation and I have NO advanced knowledge of Tyros and VL series whatsoever.
In my humble opinion Yamaha and software industry were at the same position 20 years ago. The same capabilities but Synth manufacturers stopped developing and investing in R&D;at some point (for an unknown reason) and that’s why software industry is picking up. There are many aspects of Tyros or MOTIF that Yamaha, Korg, Roland etc need to work on if they want to create a super synth and I don’t see the will nor it happening. Cheers. |
I_Too_Say_So_Long
Total Posts: 728
Joined 09-20-2011 status: Guru |
@SAMM
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cmayhle
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Joined 10-05-2011 status: Guru |
I’m guessing their research determined that the market for sampling synthesizers...and the broad range of popular instruments they can emulate...was much larger than more narrowly-focused or specialized machines. |
motidave
Total Posts: 426
Joined 10-03-2010 status: Enthusiast |
Not here to compare Tyros to Motif XF, but the statement that Yamaha (e.g. synth designers) stopped investing in R&D;20 yrs ago baffled me. |