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ajcatman
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Joined 02-06-2014 status: Regular |
ok..I have found out that yes you can save the volume.. is it possible to assign a particular volume of the channel in performance rather than zero the sound and bring that up?(in performance) |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
Just for clarity’s sake. I only use the terminology of the instrument.
MUTE is a term used in the language of the product.
Whether you start with a Part ON or OFF to some in this discussion is being used interchangeably with the concept of MUTE or UNMUTE. I am not.
You can certainly start with a PART OFF and turn it ON when you require.
Mute in the MOXF is the status of whether a Track or a Part is audible. Stay with me a minute more.
A Track Mute is a status concerning whether a MOXF sequencer track is transmitting MIDI data.
Track Mutes can be stored by a proprietary Yamaha Track Mute event, on a dedicated sequencer track.
Since when using the sequencer you transmit to a Part via a selected Track. Muting the Track stops MIDI data from playing, but the keyboard continues to transmit on that channel to all sound devices set to receive that channel.
When talking about Performances you can recall four Voices (one per Part) if you want to start with 2 of them not sounding - the Mute function as defined by the Yamaha terminology cannot be used. Mute in the Yamaha definition is a function that can be stored as an event in the Sequencer modes dealing with Tracks. It does not prevent you from accomplishing your goal, however And that’s all I’m trying to get across.
There are several ways:
On/Off - the Part Switches that activate and deactivate a Part are available but not that convenient for use on stage. Volume = 0 - that’s right turning a Part to volume = 0, is a viable “mute” especially when the MOXF can instantly recall volume settings at the press of a single button. I would think this would be a viable method to pursue for use on stage. Turn the transmit channel dynamically On/Off. This again can allow you store just the Parts you want active when you initially recall the program and you can at the press of a button bring in your silent instruments. Program in advance obviously planning ahead offers the most flexible and customizable route. Not for those who immediately look for the quickest and easiest way. But thankfully still available for the clever and unafraid. This gets very deep Let’s zoom in on 3 and 4 because they do offer some viable, quick/easy solutions
Volume = 0
Need Parts 1 and 4 in (unmuted) initially. Pull the volumes down on Parts 2 and 3 and store a snapshot to SCENE 1
Now at any time you need to switch its one button to bring the Parts you want at the volumes you want.
Turn the transmit channel dynamically On/Off
STORE your mix.
To turn OFF/ON internal Zones use buttons [1]-[4] while [PERFORMANCE CONTROL] is active
There are other methods… No update is necessary.
You can argue, complain and wait for an update that may not arrive ever… Or you can try the above and see which one works for you. I truly feel many of these routines are far easier than you would first think. And may open some new possibilities for you. Let me know. And if you own an S90 XS don’t draw conclusions about your instrument from what the MOXF does… Or doesn’t do. I hope this is helpful |
miden
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Joined 09-22-2005 status: Guru |
Thanks BM, a very illuminating post..one point I would make, is that we have 256 Performance slots with which one can create all sorts of live ready setups. By needing to have a user utilise Song/Pattern Mode with the setups you outlined above (excellent though they are) means 64 is the maximum available. It could be argued that if Master Mode were employed one could then have perhaps 128 options available, however this is still only capable of drawing on the small (relatively) number of 64 slots. Perhaps if the external storage system Yamaha has for the entire Motif series was a little more dynamic, in that a user could use a external storage device to directly load from when calling a Song or Performance, (without needing to go to an archaic File system to open various folders first to get to the required data then wait for it to load then.......) then your above methods would be quite acceptable as one could have as many setups under Song/Pattern mode utilising scenes they desired. And yes, I do know under pattern mode one can create a rather complex layer of options, however this becomes rather convoluted and awkward if one, due to overall user slot restrictions, has to create “multi-song” setups under one Song or Pattern slot. The Performance Mode is the ideal place to allow a user to store everything they require for the PERFORMANCE they require for a given tune, except this under discussion - storage of the Perf Control and Mute status. I imagine it will never be changed, nor will the file loading structure, as I suspect both are so entrenched in the code it would take considerable resources to alter. Perhaps a totally new line to replace (not augment) the Motif line could see a change, who knows...all I know is that the inability to NOT save all panel settings to a location is a, well not a fault as such, hmmm....let’s say an “error of judgement” just my personal view and no doubt many will argue. However all that said, I have found a alternative by simply assigning the Volume to the knobs and saving that with a performance that works for me, it is simple, quick and requires no menu diving. Although some do like a springboard ;-) The above methods described by BM are very, very clever, so for others it may be unwise to disregard them. For me, my method does what I need. The variation would be to assign the foot pedal (FC-7) to the part either assigned to CC7 (Volume) or CC11 (Expression) set to 0, and then apply the pedal when the part is needed. One big advantage using the Song/Pattern system though, is one is then free to have more than the 4 instruments proscribed by performance mode...however for me, with only 64 slots , makes it unworkable. Heck even 256 Performance slots are not really enough either. If one had dynamic (storage) access (by that I mean direct loading of a song setup) to unlimited Song setups then I would be using Song/Patten Mode for everything, it is rather a powerful tool. I am in NO way criticising or condemning the solutions provided by BM, they are quite ingenious, however they are requirements to achieve what , to me, is a very simple task and therefore should be unneccessary. YMMV - good luck with it. |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
I think they actually still are acceptable in spite of your comments.
256 keyboard Setups… I never want to sit through your gig, sounds positively exhausting for the audience. I think if 256 Setups is even not enough, I think I’m going to ask you to agree that your requirement is a bit unusual. Because if you think everyone needs what you do.. I invite you to communicate more with others once in a while (between making and memorizing all those Setups). I feel your pain… I take you at your word ...256 keyboard Setups is not even enough. Wowsers! But don’t wait around for your dream keyboard ... you’ll be dreaming forever. Don’t want to hurt your head, but really, and I don’t want to pull rank, but you don’t really know enough about the MOXF to make many of the conclusions you draw. Needing an unlimited array of Setups ... My suggestion… Work a bigger storage device into your rig… A computer perhaps…
MOXF fully loaded FL1024M
Every Voice you own can be accessed through the Sound Browser
No loading of Voices from various drives, forget that. The Editor can captures your entire MOXF as a snapshot.
Need 1024 Setups for the gig next Saturday… I’ll take that challenge. Seriously. Unless you’d just like to argue for argument’s sake ... Not enough Voice locations? Got a Computer? Not enough Mixing Setups? Checkout the Editor (some people don’t respect it cause its free, but it’s unbelievably useful
Cubase AI has all of this… Have you looked into it at all? Seriously, I know you think you have some points to make but before you write something off ... I’d take a closer look at what you already have but may not have yet discovered a use for…
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miden
Total Posts: 618
Joined 09-22-2005 status: Guru |
All I can do is laugh...what a joke! I mean you are joking right? No-one can be this much of a tosser! |