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ajcatman
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Joined 02-06-2014 status: Regular |
I have been trying to find the best way to set up the XF 6 for live performance.. I use it as a top keyboard along with my Roland RD700 nx. I am wanting to find a way where I can hit a button and get myself a split set up with all parts muted bar 2. Being Bass and something else ie brass or organ Etc. I have tried performance mode but cannot save my set up with some parts muted. So I read up and went. To song mode with
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miden
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Joined 09-22-2005 status: Guru |
Sorry it cannot be done (saving the mute status that is). What you can save to a Performance is the setting of the control knobs settings buttons. Set these to the 4 part volume/pan (which is achieved by pressing BOTH buttons at the same time) then setting the volume of the parts needed for muting to 0. BTW in this mode the top four knobs control the volume of each part and the bottom four knobs control the pan of each part. You can then re-introduce them by turning the appropriate top line of knobs 1-4 to raise the volume of those parts when you need them to be used. It is a bit “hit and miss” to dial in your exact volume needed, but they are quite responsive to quick turning, so you can jump from 0 to around 80 in one really quick turn.. |
Bad_Mister
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Welcome to the forums! Could you better explain what you need to do… I’m confused.
I don’t know if it is the punctuation but a “setup with all Parts muted bar 2”. Is that “bar” meaning “except” or is that “measure 2” There are several things you can do to automate what is sounding at any given time but I don’t understand what it is you are trying to do exactly… ?
Some thoughts on the direction to take
Therefore when the RESET ALL CONTROLLER message is sent (like when recalling a program) controllers are forced to a particular default status. That being the case, when you want to start with a program in a “mute” condition, you have to figure a way around the system defaults as prescribed by the MIDI spec. On the MOXF you have several ways to this… Since when you recall a program you can preset the volume to any value you desire, we have a way around this situation.
Store the VOICE so that when recalled its Volume is set at 0.
If I understand you, you want to have the MOXF silent, initially, then at the press of a button you want to activate a Bass/Brass split.
This can be easily accomplished by copying the Voices to User locations and customizing them for this purpose. For example, take the Bass
Next we can program a Controller to bring the Voice a Volume up on demand
Set SOURCE = AF1 or whichever controller you’d like to use
The DEPTH will determine the overall volume at which the Voice will be when activated
Your selection of controller will depend on what is already going on in the particular Voice you are using… Many times the AF1 and AF2 buttons maybe already programmed to do something else, so your mileage will vary as to what SOURCE (physical Controller) makes the most sense to use.
I strongly suggest you include in the name of this new Voice a mention of the Controller that activates it. For example: Silent Bass AF1
Rinse and repeat for the Brass Voice assigning it also to activate when the Source is activated. Use the DEPTH parameter to balance the Volume with the Bass. Now when you use these Voices in a PART (be it in a PERFORMANCE or in a MIXING setup) they can both be activated by pressing a single button.
There are several other methods available in the MOXF, as well… But this should get you started experimenting.
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ajcatman
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It’s a pity.. because it requires lots of button pressing in performance if you want to mute parts and switch between performances.. easier to use in Song mode (although not completely ideal still).. this is the way Roland keyboards work.. you set everything and press store.. it’s all remembered.. so however it does that.. so should the Motif.. software upgrade maybe?.. would be cool.. but for now I will try and have all sounds needed in a song, and only switch occasionally between songs when I need different sounds other than those particular 16. As it requires probably more than 16 button presses to do so. (change songs via switching modes and mute unwanted parts. Thanks for your replies.. |
Bad_Mister
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Maybe you should actually read the reply - it can be done. And your original question was not about PERFORMANCE mode. Please read up on the [PERFORMANCE CONTROL] button; and the editing of VOICES to behave as you wish can be accomplished in PERFORMANCE, SONG or PATTERN modes. If it is the too many buttons pushes to get what you want that is throwing you, so be it. Perhaps you want a less versatile synthesizer? :-) |
ajcatman
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Joined 02-06-2014 status: Regular |
“Maybe I should read the reply??..”
So your telling me that yes, I can simply press the required button in Performance mode eg: A1, and my performance comes up with 4 sounds of which 2 start off muted and 2 unmuted?. because that’s what I am wanting, so I can play organ and switch 2 brass half way through whilst playing bass in my left hand the whole time without having to first re mute the parts I don’t want.
I appreciate your help, but not your tone.. |
Bad_Mister
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Thats what I’m telling you! Press one button to turn on the Parts you want, that same button can turn off the two others.
that you think there is “a tone”. It’s also a pity you missed the point. You thought you’d just tell us how a Roland keyboard works (because everyone here cares about that gem), that’s always helpful when you want to be a smart guy. :-/ Kitchen hot? I didn’t start the fire. :-) |
ajcatman
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will apologise because for some reason I missed one of your threads.. My reply wasn’t to you initially it was to someone else.. now I have read said post, I see how that works.. it does get around the issue, all be it not what I was thinking, but it works.. there in lies the misinterpretation.(missed thread) thanks for your response, attitude aside. :-) |
ajcatman
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also my button pressing comment wasn’t referring ( or none of that reply) to your post. It was referring to the fact that in song mode if I couldn’t mute certain sounds automatically I would have to manually mute 14 channels after selecting song and then performance control in order to have only 2 sounds unmuted.. fyi.. |
miden
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Joined 09-22-2005 status: Guru |
No it does not happen - you cannot “simply” save a Performance with sounds pre-muted - as in the mute buttons already activated, you cannot even store the status of the mute button itself. So unless BM has a “special model” then I would like to know how he achieves this? Without going through the hoops he has written to accomplish what , to me, is a very simple task… Try it (if you have not already) load a performance, press the mute button, mute the sounds you want (oh and you may note that the E for edited does NOT appear in the top right corner btw) then save the performance. Open another performance then go back to the one you “saved” - that’s right, the mutes are NOT saved! Which is the point I was making in an earlier post. I interpreted it as you talking about performances, not in general so if I misunderstood that, sorry! The “work-around” I wrote, is cludgy but works in a fashion… |
Apex
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Joined 10-21-2005 status: Guru |
I didn’t read through all of the responses but from what I was reading nobody was going this direction....so I’ll suggest this way of handling it. Use pattern mode. And use the scenes to have certain parts muted or unmuted. Then you can just push the button associated with the correct scene to call up the configuration that you want.... Easy and just one button push. |
miden
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Joined 09-22-2005 status: Guru |
I have tried that, as it was suggested by BM a while back in another thread..I found it quite tricky to get right, and not as flexible, in live operation..JMO so please I am not criticising your suggestion :-) The way I found works for me is what I posted above - if all you need is to keep one or more parts in a performance silent at load-in. I am not sure but maybe even one could program the FC-7 pedal to the parts as well, instead of having to use your hands to bring up the volume level of a part later in the performance...I might investigate that. The way I use performances is in live work - and I set them up accordingly...EG: arp one is the “lightest” beat arp 2 is a fill, arp 3 is a heavier beat, arp 4 is a fill arp 5 is the final chorus (if you like) beat, and arp 6 is the ending arp (for the extra arp slot on the MOXF I thank Yamaha greatly!!! it makes a significant difference to live work). In this manner I have all sorts of combos setup - I only wish we could also have the tempo knob saveable with a perf as well as the volume/pan recall, but it is not possible...oh it is possible in any other knob setup, except the one where both knob control buttons are pressed at the same time. |
ajcatman
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Yeh this was my point much earlier. Ok you can edit sounds and program buttons etc, but why not just have it so you can save the state as part of the performance?. Would make life slot easier.. |
miden
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Totally agree :-) |
SSquared
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Oh, this is a little disappointing to hear. I am almost positive I save Performances on the S90-XS with Mute on. For example, I have two different versions of “Chillin’ Keys” one saved with both Piano and Pad and another that initially starts with the piano muted (I have the bass/drums all turned off/muted). This is very helpful for live performance as I want one simple button press. Even having to press the patch button and then tap the Mute button can be an easily forgotten step. I’m glad to get the heads up on this because it is definitely something I would have been scratching my head over. Looks like I’ll use the Volume knobs. |
ajcatman
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I have just bought this so It’s gonna take quite some time to explore all options.. but yeh, this for me in a live situation is a bit of a roadblock.. I wish they could just come up with a softwear upgrade that solves the problem!.. and tell me.. I haven’t tried yet.. but does this mean the sliders/faders are not savable in performance mode either?.. meaning wherever they are is where all sounds on those channels will be?. I must say.. for me the sounds of the XF are some of the best I have heard.. I find it is really hard to find any synth that has all boxes ticked for me..if you could just take the best from all and make a super synth!!that would be cool:) |