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Posted on: January 29, 2014 @ 06:58 AM
cmayhle
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I recently purchased a pair of DXR10’s to utilize in one of my monitor configurations (When I have the space required).

These speakers ROCK!

I feed my keyboard rig into a mixer (Yamaha MG102c), and I send the monitor outs of the mixer to one of the DXR10’s, which is then stereo-linked to the other DXR10.

I use (2) 15’ cables between the mixer and the first DXR10.  The mixer has impedance-balanced 1/4” TRS monitor (L & R) outputs.

However, the (L & R) 1/4” inputs @ the DXR10 are unbalanced.

My question involves optimizing this connection to minimize the possibility of inducing noise.

I could obviously just use unbalanced 1/4” TS cables to make the connections.  However:  Do I gain anythings by using 1/4” TRS balanced cables between the mixer and speaker?  Or...due to the unbalanced nature of the DXR10 stereo inputs...is this going to result in no additional noise suppression capability and just be an exercise in futility?

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Posted on: January 29, 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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Impedance-balanced outputs are alternatively referred to as “psuedo-balanced” or “quasi-balanced”. In contrast to transformer-balanced or active-balanced outputs, impedance-balanced outputs only drive the “hot” conductor. The “cold” one is connected to ground via a resistance equal to that of the impedance that drives the “hot” side, “balancing” hot and cold. An impedance-balanced output circuit is designed to be able to drive either a balanced or unbalanced input.

There’s no advantage in using TRS-to-TRS cables when connecting such an output to an unbalanced input. Most of the time TS-to-TS cables will do the job, especially if they’re kept short (15 feet is probably OK), and away from power cords. If there is hum, specialized (modified) cables can fix the problem.

This article does a good job of discussing the topic, and the section Floating, Psuedo, and Quasi-Balancing refers to a couple of ways to wire cables if standard TS ones don’t perform well under the usage we’re discussing.

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Posted on: January 29, 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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5pinDIN - 29 January 2014 08:29 AM

Impedance-balanced outputs are alternatively referred to as “psuedo-balanced” or “quasi-balanced”. In contrast to transformer-balanced or active-balanced outputs, impedance-balanced outputs only drive the “hot” conductor. The “cold” one is connected to ground via a resistance equal to that of the impedance that drives the “hot” side, “balancing” hot and cold. An impedance-balanced output circuit is designed to be able to drive either a balanced or unbalanced input.

There’s no advantage in using TRS-to-TRS cables when connecting such an output to an unbalanced input. Most of the time TS-to-TS cables will do the job, especially if they’re kept short (15 feet is probably OK), and away from power cords. If there is hum, specialized (modified) cables can fix the problem.

This article does a good job of discussing the topic, and the section Floating, Psuedo, and Quasi-Balancing refers to a couple of ways to wire cables if standard TS ones don’t perform well under the usage we’re discussing.

Thanks very much for that information 5pinDIN! (And I fixed the typo too!)

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Posted on: January 29, 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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cmayhle - 29 January 2014 08:35 AM

Thanks very much for that information 5pinDIN! (And I fixed the typo too!)

You’re very welcome, cmayhle !

May you have a playing experience free of hum (and other) noise/interference.  :-)

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Posted on: January 29, 2014 @ 09:04 AM
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5pinDIN - 29 January 2014 08:41 AM

May you have a playing experience free of hum (and other) noise/interference.  :-)

You don’t happen to have anything to silence hecklers do you...?

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Posted on: January 29, 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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cmayhle - 29 January 2014 09:04 AM

You don’t happen to have anything to silence hecklers do you...?

A heckle filter? I’ll get right on it, but I might need design specs…

Actually, does it have to stop the entire venue from hearing the heckling, or just you? Because if it’s only you, get some IEMs and drown them out.  ;-)

Now that I think about it, that might explain the popularity of IEMs with certain bands.

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Posted on: June 03, 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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cmayhle - 29 January 2014 09:04 AM
5pinDIN - 29 January 2014 08:41 AM

May you have a playing experience free of hum (and other) noise/interference.  :-)

You don’t happen to have anything to silence hecklers do you...?

My former piano teacher might recommend I practice more :)

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