mySoftware [Updates]

Once you create a user profile on Motifator and update with the appropriate information, the updates shown here will be specific to you.

rssFeeds [Syndicate]


forumforum
 

Old Motifator threads are available in the Archive.

Viewing topic "MOXF6 ASSIGNING ROTARY TO PEDAL"

   
Page 1 of 3
Posted on: November 28, 2013 @ 01:36 PM
Joshman
Total Posts:  208
Joined  10-27-2013
status: Enthusiast

Can anyone please tell me how to assign the Yamaha Pedal FC-7 to trigger rotary ?
I have searched the manual far and wide or if you know can you tell what page it’s on in the Manual..Many Thanks

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 28, 2013 @ 08:58 PM
Bad_Mister
Avatar
Total Posts:  36648
Joined  07-30-2002
status: Moderator

We moved your post here as you don’t own an MX49/MX61

The question is vague… Although I think I know exactly what you mean, what you want to do. But we will help you understand more about how it works.

You have several assignable physical controllers: Pitch Bend Wheel, Modulation Wheel, Assignable Knobs 1/2, Assignable Function 1/2, Foot Controllers 1/2, Foot Switch, etc.

These can be routed to any if 101 parameter Destinations (so looking in the Manual for your specific requirement is there but just not in so many words. First, there are several parameters within the ROTARY SPEAKER Type (we’re pretty certain that is what you are referring to when you say “rotary") but you don’t mention which of the assignable parameters of the Rotary Speaker you wish to control.

If you are like the hundreds of people who have asked a similar question over the years, you would like to control the “Speed Control” parameter. You can view all of the available parameters of the Rotary Speaker Effect Type by looking it up on page 82 of the DATA LIST book. The parameters that are real time controllable will appear when go to make the controller assignment (CONTROL SET) within each Voice.

So to your question: you don’t so much assign an FC7 to trigger the rotary.
The FC7 pedal can be assigned to send a Control Change message (this is done in Utility mode) Once the pedal is set to send a Control Change number you can assign that controller to a destination parameter which can be designated within a Voice.

Call up the Voice you wish to EDIT
Press [EDIT]
Press [COMMON]
Press [F4] CTRL SET (Controller Setup)
You can view the six controller assignments via [SF1]-[SF3]

In most of the Hammond B3 organ sounds, the MW is set as the SOURCE, and “Speed Control” is set as the DESTINATION. This allows the Speed Control to be switched from SLOW to FAST (or FAST to SLOW) when the Mod Wheel is flipped up.

You have two choices:
1-Reprogram the individual Voice so that it uses the FC rather than the MW
2-Change the FC pedal to globally send cc001 (Modulation Wheel)

Basically either reprogram each Voice to your preference (storing a new version) or change the FOOT CONTROLLER 1 so that is sends Control Change message 001 (which turns your FC1 into a MW).

From VOICE mode go to [UTILITY]
Press [F4] CTRL ASN (Controller Assign)
Press [SF1] ASSIGN
Set FC1 = 01 Modulation Wheel
This globally turns your FC7 pedal into a MW

Most people prefer the MW for a couple of reasons:
1) it is most similar to the speed control for a real Leslie
2) it is already programmed in most every organ sound already
3) they prefer to use the FC7 pedal as the essential foot volume control

Last piece of education about the Rotary Speed control (many people miss) the SPEED CONTROL is different from the Speed. When you flip the switch on a Leslie control you select either Slow or Fast… When the Rotary Speaker’s SPEED CONTROL is assigned to a controller all values below a specific point are SLOW, and all values above a specific point select FAST. It’s a switch either/or. Once you pass a certain point the speed begins changing (called “transition")

The actual speed that qualifies as SLOW is programmed in the Insertion Effect itself
The actual speed that qualifies as FAST is also programmed in the Effect itself
The TRANSITION TIME (the time it takes to ramp up or slow down) is predetermined by those parameters inside the Insert Effect itself. You only need to flip the MW up, the “transition time” takes place automatically.

Learn more about the Rotary Speaker Effect

Hope that helps.

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 28, 2013 @ 09:33 PM
Joshman
Total Posts:  208
Joined  10-27-2013
status: Enthusiast

Thanks So Much:
Actually my goal is this - I bought the pedal for the purpose of Triggering the Leslie effect on the Organ sounds -
Along with the ability to also trigger the Leslie from the Mod Wheel as well.  I do not wish to negate the Mod wheel but to add the function to the Pedal as well - as I did with the MX61 because most of the time my hands are both busy playing and I need to trigger Leslie from my foot - other times it’s more convenient to use my left hand so I wish to be able to do both. Here is how I accomplished this with the MX61 but I could not locate the parameters using the Mx61 instructions - See Below:

Assigning Rotary to an Expression Pedal on the MX49 and MX61
1.  Press the [Utility] button.
2.  Cursor down to select “Controller”
3.  Press the [ENTER] button
4.  Cursor down to select “FC1”
5.  Use the Data wheel to select “04[FootCtrl]”
6.  Press the [STORE] button to store the system settings.
7.  Press the [EXIT] button to exit to your main display.
8.  Select an Organ voice.
9.  Press the [EDIT] button.
10.  Cursor down to “Part” then press the [ENTER] button.
11.  Cursor down to “07: Voice Ctrl Set” then press the [ENTER] button.
12.  Go to a control set that you are not using.  We recommend Set 3 or Set 4 then press [ENTER]
13.  Change the “Source” to FC1(04)
14.  Change the “Dest” to INSA:EfSpCt1
15.  Change the “Depth” to +63
16.  Push the [STORE] button to store the Voice to a User destination.
I hope that this clarifies what I was trying to say - I will try and be more specific
Thank you So much

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 28, 2013 @ 09:34 PM
MeMyselfAndI64
Avatar
Total Posts:  201
Joined  11-11-2013
status: Enthusiast

Another pedal question.
I don`t use the pedal for volume on 90% of my voices.

What I like to do (If possible) is set my Pedal to lets say CC4 (FootCtrl)
And then have sounds with WAH etc programed to use the pedal.
I have no problem setting this up!

Then program the sounds I want to have Volume to use the pedal for volume.
But how do I do that?

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 28, 2013 @ 09:35 PM
Joshman
Total Posts:  208
Joined  10-27-2013
status: Enthusiast

I do not want to deactivate the Mod Wheel for triggering Leslie - I wish to add that ability Also to the Pedal. To be able to trigger Leslie Rotary effect from the pedal when I desire along with the ability to still be able to do it from the Mod wheel when convenient. To be able to trigger Leslie effect from either Pedal OR Mod wheel.
I want to enable them both as I did on the MX61

I realize that those instructions I posted are for the Mx61 but I posted them to see if that helps you understand and be able to help me duplicate that same exact job on the MOXF6
Many Thanks

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 28, 2013 @ 11:45 PM
MeMyselfAndI64
Avatar
Total Posts:  201
Joined  11-11-2013
status: Enthusiast
Joshman - 28 November 2013 09:35 PM

I do not want to deactivate the Mod Wheel for triggering Leslie - I wish to add that ability Also to the Pedal. To be able to trigger Leslie Rotary effect from the pedal when I desire along with the ability to still be able to do it from the Mod wheel when convenient. To be able to trigger Leslie effect from either Pedal OR Mod wheel.
I want to enable them both as I did on the MX61

I realize that those instructions I posted are for the Mx61 but I posted them to see if that helps you understand and be able to help me duplicate that same exact job on the MOXF6
Many Thanks

Here is how to edit the voice controllers

Hit [EDIT] then [CTL SET] there you can select 3 sets of 2 assignments with [SF1]-[SF3]

you mite have to remove another assignment if the voice is using all of em.
just keep the MOD wheel assignment and you would get what you want!

Hope it helps

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 01:32 AM
Bad_Mister
Avatar
Total Posts:  36648
Joined  07-30-2002
status: Moderator

What you did was option number 1.

You have two choices:
1-Reprogram the individual Voice so that it uses the FC rather than the MW
2-Change the FC pedal to globally send cc001 (Modulation Wheel)

Only you want to have both controllers active… Simply use a second Control Set to also program the FC to Speed Control

Press [EDIT]
Press [COMMON]
Press [F4] CTRL SET
Here you can set the Controller assignments to parameters. You reach the six sets via [SF1]-[SF3] buttons.

MW as Source, the Speed Control as Destination in CTRL SET 1
FC as Source, the Speed Control as Destination in CTRL SET 2

BTW- a DEPTH of +32 maybe a more appropriate than +63
+32 = a linear response so that when you pass half way the switch flips ON
+63 = a response such that only at the extreme toe down position does the switch flip to ON, all movement prior to max is Off
... It is your choice, just making you aware of what +63 DEPTH means.

[STORE] the Voice to a USER location.

You already know how to set FC1 = 04[FootControl] in UTILITY.

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 02:19 AM
Joshman
Total Posts:  208
Joined  10-27-2013
status: Enthusiast

Perfect Thank you so very much
I would remove Volume correct because the pedal is now set to control volume and I do not want the pedal to control Volume while it’s controlling Rotary correct Or would I just reassign Rotary instead of volume for that setting ?

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 02:33 AM
MeMyselfAndI64
Avatar
Total Posts:  201
Joined  11-11-2013
status: Enthusiast
Joshman - 29 November 2013 02:19 AM

Perfect Thank you so very much
I would remove Volume correct because the pedal is now set to control volume and I do not want the pedal to control Volume while it’s controlling Rotary correct Or would I just reassign Rotary instead of volume for that setting ?

You remove the volume by doing this....

1.  Press the [Utility] button.
2.  Press [CTL ASN]
3.  Press the [ASSAIGN] button
4.  Cursor down to select “FC1”
5.  Use the Data wheel to select “04[FootCtrl]”
6.  Press the [STORE] button to store the system settings.

Now You have changed the 11 [Express) to 04[FootCtrl) on FC1
By doing the above.

11 [Express) = CC11 Expression. Controls the volume via an pedal.
This is an global setting!!

Be aware that NO Voice will have any Volume control via the pedal after this.

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 03:39 AM
pax_eterna
Total Posts:  209
Joined  11-03-2013
status: Enthusiast
MeMyselfAndI64 - 28 November 2013 09:34 PM

Another pedal question.
I don`t use the pedal for volume on 90% of my voices.

What I like to do (If possible) is set my Pedal to lets say CC4 (FootCtrl)
And then have sounds with WAH etc programed to use the pedal.
I have no problem setting this up!

Then program the sounds I want to have Volume to use the pedal for volume.
But how do I do that?

Quoting this so perhaps BM can notice and respond?

I too would be curious to see if this is indeed possible.

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 04:28 AM
MeMyselfAndI64
Avatar
Total Posts:  201
Joined  11-11-2013
status: Enthusiast
MeMyselfAndI64 - 28 November 2013 09:34 PM

Another pedal question.
I don`t use the pedal for volume on 90% of my voices.

What I like to do (If possible) is set my Pedal to lets say CC4 (FootCtrl)
And then have sounds with WAH etc programed to use the pedal.
I have no problem setting this up!

Then program the sounds I want to have Volume to use the pedal for volume.
But how do I do that?

pax_eterna - 29 November 2013 03:39 AM


Quoting this so perhaps BM can notice and respond?

I too would be curious to see if this is indeed possible.

I don`t think it,s possible directly! Hence the no answers?:)

My thought on an workaround was if it was possible to use an FX.
Turn down the FX part of it, and if it had an Volume control parameter,
Program that to use the CC4(FootCtrl)

I have not dived into the FX yet so I don`t know if any FX has these parameters?
or if any FX can be used in that kind of way?

I guess my end question is.....:)
Are there any FX that can be used to control the volume?

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 04:34 AM
Joshman
Total Posts:  208
Joined  10-27-2013
status: Enthusiast

So that sounds like the setting will be a global change correct?
Is there a way to retain volume control form pedal on other presets and only have foot pedal control Leslie/Rotary on organ sounds because on the mx61 those changes only occurred on each individual organ sound.  When I was in the process of editing them I had to call up each individual voice in order to accomplish the task.  I like the fact that it’s global and I only would have to do it once, however, I don’t like that I will lose Volume control on all other voices if I remove Volume from pedal, and if I leave it on well the volume will change with the rotary speaker effect and that would not be acceptable either .. :(
By the Way Thank you so much for all of this
I really appreciate it
Sincerely,
Josh

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 05:41 AM
Bad_Mister
Avatar
Total Posts:  36648
Joined  07-30-2002
status: Moderator

I’m sorry, I guess I’m not being clear.
You either choose to program the individual Voice or you can setup the pedal globally. It is a choice, either/or.

If you opt to make your Foot Controller = cc004 (FC2), then this is a global setting. I mentioned that.
This is programmable on a per Voice basis. Once you opt to change your Foot Controller to cc004, you have select the path where you now have to program the pedal… Don’t let that scare you
:-) its a feature!

You’ve select the programmable Foot Controller, so you have selected to program.

For each Voice you wish to control the volume (since you no longer have the Expression pedal option) you must select as a Destination “volume” - it is one of those 101 parameter Destinations mentioned above.

Learning “bias” a parameter to a controller is not difficult. You set the Voice Volume = 0
Set the CONTROL SET so Source = FC2, Destination = Volume, Depth = +32
Now the heel down position = 0 volume, toe down = 127
The position of the pedal is now the representative of the actual Voice Volume.

ALTERNATIVES:
1) Purchase a Yamaha FC9 or other stereo volume pedal -this can be placed “inline” on the main Left/Right outputs of the MOXF -between the outputs and your amplification.
2) Upgrade yourself to a Motif XF where you get both an FC1 and FC2 jack meaning you can use two FC7 pedals; one dedicated as volume cc011, and the other as an assignable pedal per Voice.

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 06:18 AM
MeMyselfAndI64
Avatar
Total Posts:  201
Joined  11-11-2013
status: Enthusiast
Bad_Mister - 29 November 2013 05:41 AM

For each Voice you wish to control the volume (since you no longer have the Expression pedal option) you must select as a Destination “volume” - it is one of those 101 parameter Destinations mentioned above.

Learning “bias” a parameter to a controller is not difficult. You set the Voice Volume = 0
Set the CONTROL SET so Source = FC2, Destination = Volume, Depth = +32
Now the heel down position = 0 volume, toe down = 127
The position of the pedal is now the representative of the actual Voice Volume.

Now I get it! I missed your comment about the Volume being one of the destinations.

Thanks for keeping up with at least MINE stupid questions:)

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 06:30 AM
pax_eterna
Total Posts:  209
Joined  11-03-2013
status: Enthusiast

thx from me as well…

  [ Ignore ]  

Posted on: November 29, 2013 @ 06:49 AM
Joshman
Total Posts:  208
Joined  10-27-2013
status: Enthusiast

I have the MOXF6 and i noticed that there is a jack on the back of the keyboard next to the sustain pedal jack that says Assignable ?
Can that be used for turning on the rotary on organ sounds ?
Wouldn’t that ten not affect what’s happening on the other jack for foot control jack ?

  [ Ignore ]  


Page 1 of 3


     


Previous Topic:

‹‹ Volume of performances
Next Topic:

    MOXF downloads ››