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| GospelMusicians
Total Posts: 336
Joined 08-26-2010 status: Enthusiast |
From my investigation, the issue seems to be related to the MIDI/USB/Audio Driver. It only freezes when that is in use and Thanks for your suggestions, but no hibernation, nor sleep modes are on and no data is incoming, especially heavy System Exclusive data. It sounds like you won’t believe me until I show you on video, so no need to keep writing until I have proof, but I am an experienced user, BTW. |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
It’s not a matter of believing you, not at all. Why would anyone question what you are experiencing? It is the “why” that is at issue. Things freeze usually for a reason.
If you have your default Auto Power Off setting set to 30 minutes, it could explain why you have issues at every thirty minutes, consistent. Is all I’m saying. Although your videos are interesting they don’t help your point at all - they are completely unnecessary, I believe you are having problems. I only am concerned with why, nothing else! |
| GospelMusicians
Total Posts: 336
Joined 08-26-2010 status: Enthusiast |
I’ll check everything out again and do some more testing....
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| goog
Total Posts: 39
Joined 06-01-2005 status: Regular |
This may be another clue of what is happening. When I set MIDI in/out mode to “USB” I can still send/receive MIDI signals via MIDI cables connected to my MOXF. I believe this is a bug. Please anyone recheck if this happens to all machine or it’s just me. PS. I’m running OS 1.03 |
| proteus1712
Total Posts: 8
Joined 10-25-2003 status: Newcomer |
Hi guys,
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| proteus1712
Total Posts: 8
Joined 10-25-2003 status: Newcomer |
Information: OS 1.03 updated before. Formatted the MUTEC FMC-06 before. Maybe the problem not possible to load x3a file Neo Soul Keys for Motif XF is a different bank information (bank 3 on MOXF or bank 4 on Motif XF?). Could it be possible the frozen MOXF could be related to this procedure? |
| GospelMusicians
Total Posts: 336
Joined 08-26-2010 status: Enthusiast |
There you go....Very good find! I was suspecting the same thing as you and you are correct. You see I had my MOXF setup to my Logic and I had a USB MIDI connected to the MIDI Out. What I’m suspecting, is that even though I’m in USB mode, the MIDI man is sending a hello and completely crashing the MOXF. The weird thing is that the MIDI was only in the MIDI out, not the MIDI In so it should not be able to accept MIDI input into the Output port.
Either way I think we are getting closer to the issue, but my suspicion is that it is still something to do with the MIDI driver or perhaps when MIDI information is being sent to the Motif when in USB mode.
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| GospelMusicians
Total Posts: 336
Joined 08-26-2010 status: Enthusiast |
I have confirmed your Illegal file error on my MOXF here. I sent the file to Bad Mister in a PM to see if he can take a look at it. To test the file, I loaded the file up into my Motif XF8 and it loaded fine. I then loaded the file into the Melas Waveform Editor to see if it would load and it does load fine. I am currently going to re-save from the XF and see if it loads back. I can confirm that the MOXF will load XF Dataa and Flash, because I tested it out on my new Jamal’s Flash and it works perfectly, so I’m not sure what could be up with that file. Perhaps it is the extra user slot.
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| GospelMusicians
Total Posts: 336
Joined 08-26-2010 status: Enthusiast |
Looks like there may be an infinite MIDI loop that is started, if you somehow have your MIDI connected along with your USB. If any data is transferred back, then it is probably causing a MIDI loop. As a developer I switch between USB and MIDI all of the time depending on my testing. This scenario works perfect with the XF. We are getting close :). As Bad Mister alluded to MIDI overflow and Sysex information will always cause a synth to freeze. |
5pinDIN
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Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
What’s happening may or may not be normal, depending on exactly what you mean by ”When I set MIDI in/out mode to “USB” I can still send/receive MIDI signals via MIDI cables connected to my MOXF”. USB MIDI supports multiple MIDI ports - the 5-pin-DIN MIDI-In/Out connections are routed via Port 3.
See Bad_Mister‘s post in this MOX thread:
Is what you’re experiencing different than what’s described in that post? |
| goog
Total Posts: 39
Joined 06-01-2005 status: Regular |
I used to own a MO6 and Motif XS and currently own S70XS and Motif XF and none of the board behaves the way as the MOXF does. No MIDI signal coming in and going out from the 5 pin din ports when I set the MIDI mode to ‘USB’. So I think something must be wrong with the USB MIDI of the MOXF. That seems to be weird for me (I’ve never owned a MOX so I don’t know if this is usual or not). |
| 5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
I own a Motif XS and XF. To state that ”No MIDI signal coming in and going out from the 5 pin din ports when I set the MIDI mode to ‘USB’” for those models is not accurate. See Bad_Mister‘s description of Port 3 operation in these threads:
Even with MIDI IN/OUT set to USB, data arriving at the 5-pin-DIN MIDI-In will appear at the USB Port 3. See page 54 of the Owner’s manual. If you have a device connected via USB that somehow routes Port 3 data to Port 1 (intentionally or unintentionally), it will definitely affect the Motif’s operation.
However…
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| proteus1712
Total Posts: 8
Joined 10-25-2003 status: Newcomer |
Hi Bad Mister,
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| Bad_Mister
Total Posts: 36620
Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
I have answered Gospel Musicians privately about his data, I have corrected the file so it will load into the MOXF. And have given him the method to fix it. |
| GospelMusicians
Total Posts: 336
Joined 08-26-2010 status: Enthusiast |
Yea...the MOXF freezing is definitely an issue as mine freezes! |
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