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Viewing topic "Moving flash card from Motif XF to MOXF"

     
Posted on: October 25, 2013 @ 10:42 PM
anotherscott
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I’ll preface this by saying that I saw that the Motif XF has wave bank settings of “PRE, USR, FL1, FL2” whereas the MOXF has wave bank settings of “pre, user” where “user” is for the waves on the flash card.

So my question is, if you have a Motif XF with a flash card, and banks of USER presets many of which include Voices associated with waves that are on that card, what would be the process to move those sounds to a MOXF? Would it simply be a matter of moving the card and bringing over a .X3V (or .X3A) file, and loading ALL/ALLVOICE/ONEBANKVOICE (i.e. will any of these options bring over the Voices--whether for all banks of, in the last case, just for a particular bank--and automatically locate the corresponding waves on the flash card)? Do you need to do something to tell it to not load the waveforms since they are already on the card?

What happens if the Motif XF had two flash cards? Obviously you can only bring over one card. If you bring over a bank of voices from the XF (a bank which used only waves from one of the two cards, and you’ve checked to be sure that the card with the waves you need is the card you’ve transferred), will the MOXF automatically find the waves it needed, regardless of whether that card was originally in Slot 1 or Slot 2? Or is there a complication introduced by the fact that, in the XF, these Voices were looking for waves that were specifically identified as being located in either FL1 or FL2?

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Posted on: October 26, 2013 @ 12:15 AM
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First, much of your concerns are not necessary because you cannot physically move a FL512M or FL1024M from one product to another without formatting the Board for the product you are going to use it in. And if you think about it, that will answer most of your other concerns. Formatting will wipe the Board clean, and place certain system data on it that allows the formatting product to place and retrieve its own data.

Yamaha has several different products that can utilize the FL512M and/or FL1024M Flash Boards. To use the Board in a product you must format it for use with that product. It is not just “dumb” memory… Each product will use the board in a way that works for the particular product.

When loading data from a Motif XF file into the MOXF, let’s take Voices as an example…
(Remember the board does not have anything on it, it must be formatted for the product using it...) you would select to load the Voice, it matters not if the data was originally on FL1 or FL2, the XF file ‘knows’ which file folder to look in to get the data. That data will then be moved over to the MOXF.

There is no complex routing to FL1 or FL2, the data is simply written to the lowest numbered empty location on the board. As you Load a Voice, you target an internal VOICE location for the Voice data, the MOXF writes the Voice to a targeted User 1, User 2, User 3 or User Drum location, then the Waveform list is installed - it acts like a directory pointing to the samples which are installed on the Flash Board.

The Motif XF VOICE when imported by the MOXF is automatically “repointed” to the Wave Bank/Wave Number which is available… so that each User Voice can access the correct audio data. Each Voice has 8 possible Elements. Each Element has an Oscillator or tone source. That tone source can be any one of the 3,977 preset Waveforms, or any of the 2,048 user Waveforms that can be installed on a Flash Board.

As you load Voices that utilize user samples, the MOXF catalogs where each Waveform is located and updates each Voice in its User location. Loading a Voice simply gets everything it needs from the file and places it where it needs to go in the MOXF.

This is how you can load a single Voice from a Motif XF file, and direct it to any location within the MOXF. Everything gets put where it belongs, and new links are established.

This is why, it is imperative for MOXF owners to make an an ALL data file that saves their MOXF’s reconfiguration of the data.

Therefore I will refer to the act of loading a Motif XF Library as importing or translating data…

There is no ‘complication’ with FL1 or FL2 as you were envisioning because the board is formatted so the source slot in the Motif XF has no bearing on the MOXF.

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Posted on: October 26, 2013 @ 12:36 AM
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Thanks for the thorough answer. And yes, as you suspected, just making me aware of the fact that the board has to be reformatted anyway once it is moved from the XF to the MOXF pretty much answered everything!

So, starting with a two-flash-board Motif XF (each 1 gig), in order to end up with a MOXF with one 1-gig flash board that has my favorite sounds from both XF flash boards, it sounds like a good approach would be to use the Melas Waveform Editor on the Motif XF, and assemble one or more User Voice Banks that have the sounds I want to make available on the MOXF, making sure that they don’t reference more than 1 gig worth of waveforms between the two boards. Create an X3A (or X3V) file with waveform data, and then load those Voice banks into the MOXF, and all the waveform data needed for those sounds will be loaded into the 1-gig board in the MOXF, yes?

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Posted on: October 31, 2013 @ 02:36 AM
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Bad_Mister or anyone who may know, can someone confirm that the process I described in the message immediately above will work, for getting flash-based sounds from the Motif XF to the MOXF? And is that necessarily the best way to do it, or would you suggest a different approach? And expanding on that a little, at least for simplicity’s sake, let’s assume that you’re putting a new flash card into the the MOXF, rather that moving over, reformatting, and reloading one of the ones from the XF.

Expanding on that, is it practical to have two different flash cards for a MOXF with mostly different samples, and you install whichever card you want to use for a particular project? Assuming you don’t exceed the number of actual USER Voice locations, could you leave all the Voices for both board in place, and the Voices would either work or not work depending on whether the appropriate flash card was installed? (As opposed to having to load/reload different sets of User Voices depending on which card was installed.)

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