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Posted on: October 23, 2013 @ 07:55 AM
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First-time poster.  I am first a guitar player so much of what the Motif XF can do is a bit of a mystery.  I’ve spent the last couple of weeks trying to get my mind around it, with some success.  One thing has eluded me. 

In Pattern Mode, I’d like be able to use my foot controller to select a new pattern section.  My foot controller (a Behringer FCB1010 with uno mod) can send PC or CC data but not sysex.  After scouring the forum, it looks to me like this is not doable.  Does anyone disagree?  Could it be done by sysex (say, if I used a MIDI translator or a different foot controller)? 

Appreciate any thoughts.

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Posted on: October 23, 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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PeoplesFrontofJudea - 23 October 2013 07:55 AM

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In Pattern Mode, I’d like be able to use my foot controller to select a new pattern section.  My foot controller (a Behringer FCB1010 with uno mod) can send PC or CC data but not sysex.  After scouring the forum, it looks to me like this is not doable.  Does anyone disagree?  Could it be done by sysex (say, if I used a MIDI translator or a different foot controller)? 

Appreciate any thoughts.

Welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately, I don’t disagree. The Mode (Voice/Performance/Pattern/Song/Master) can be selected via SysEx. The Pattern or Song number can be chosen using a Song Select message. But as far as I know, there’s no way to externally select a Pattern Section.

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Posted on: October 23, 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Thanks 5pinDIN.  Where I am confused is that it appears that the Yamaha foot controller can do it.  Or perhaps that is old information.

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Posted on: October 24, 2013 @ 02:26 AM
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The Motif ES had the capability to select Pattern Section via SysEx, and apparently so did the Classic Motif, until the OS was updated.

The XF seems to transmit a Control Change (CC#3) message when a Pattern Section is changed via the panel while a Pattern is playing. It’s of the form B0 03 0n, where n = 0~F(corresponding to Sections A~P). However, sending such a message to the XF (I used MIDI-OX) doesn’t appear to cause a response. I’m not sure how the Controller #3 message is used, since it’s not a standard CC number (it’s “undefined").

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Posted on: October 24, 2013 @ 03:23 AM
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There is no reference to Pattern Sections in the MIDI data section of the Data List. That suggests there is no way to control Section selection via MIDI.

This question has been asked many times in this forum, the answer is always the same :(

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Posted on: October 24, 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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Thanks guys.  Just to be clear, does this also mean that the MFC10 cannot do it on the XF?  This article indicates it could do so on the ES:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/using_your_motif_es_with_the_mfc10_midi_foot_controller

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Posted on: October 24, 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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The XF cannot change Section via MIDI. Use the front panel buttons for real time changes, use the CHAIN function to automate Sections changes.

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Posted on: October 24, 2013 @ 06:49 AM
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PeoplesFrontofJudea - 24 October 2013 04:48 AM

Thanks guys.  Just to be clear, does this also mean that the MFC10 cannot do it on the XF?  This article indicates it could do so on the ES:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/using_your_motif_es_with_the_mfc10_midi_foot_controller

The ES had a SysEx message (F0 43 7E 00 0n 7F F7) found in the ES Data List, that could be sent to it for Pattern Section Control. That capability doesn’t exist in the XF, and wasn’t in the XS either.

Having said that, I’d still like to know what the purpose is of the B0 03 0n message that’s sent by the XF when the Section is changed via the panel.

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Posted on: October 24, 2013 @ 01:08 PM
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When I used to program sound alike files back in the nineties, and again with the RM1X and RS7000 we would use cc003 as a marker. Often when programming data for various devices (Arps, Phrases, Styles, etc) you write data out linearly, later it can be divided into shorter segments ... The cc003 event could be placed at the top of the measure to act as a visual marker for the engineer responsible for formatting the data into the various products.

Example if you are writing a song with an eight measure section, likely you would (if you need to transition to another section) write a fill-in in measure 8. You most likely don’t write 7 measures and then write a separate one measure Phrase ( who does that?)

But in the product it might need to formatted so the user can access just the fill-in… The “marker” message could be left by the author so the formatting engineer knows what is intended. A marker at the top of measure 008 would alert them that a division should take place. (In a lot of the more esoteric electronica, without these markers, they may never figure where to make a division) :-)

The arps, styles and preset phrases in some of the various products are made from complete compositions, divided into separate entities that can be reassembled and manipulated by the user.

I’m not absolutely sure what the “marker” message means in this data, but it maybe used in how the data is transferred during the direct Performance Record routine.. They use an undefined controller number… so they can define what it means… And it should not impact anything going on in the instrument

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Posted on: October 24, 2013 @ 03:20 PM
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Bad_Mister - 24 October 2013 01:08 PM

When I used to program sound alike files back in the nineties, and again with the RM1X and RS7000 we would use cc003 as a marker. [...]

Thanks for the interesting perspective on the use of CC#3.

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Posted on: April 25, 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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5pinDIN - 24 October 2013 03:20 PM
Bad_Mister - 24 October 2013 01:08 PM

When I used to program sound alike files back in the nineties, and again with the RM1X and RS7000 we would use cc003 as a marker. [...]

Thanks for the interesting perspective on the use of CC#3.

Agreed.

It would be nice if Bad Mister can visit here once a month to provide us with his deep insight on the Motif.

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