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5pinDIN
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The 10th Anniversary Pack includes the Chick Corea Mark V Library on the DVD. There’s a folder entitled “Chick’s Mark V DCP edition Data” containing the files “Chick’s MarkV DCPv3.n2.X3A” and “Chick’s Mark V Manual.pdf”. In the Motifator Shop at http://shop.motifator.com/index.php/voice-libraries/motif-xf/chick-s-rhodes.html it says the file is named “CC063011.X3A”, and there’s no indication that DCP was involved. Q’s: Does the Chick’s Mark V library on the 10th Anniversary DVD have the same content as that being sold in the Shop? If not, what are the differences? ------------ also ------------ The “Chick’s Mark V Manual.pdf” on the DVD has me scratching my head (even ignoring the fact that it was obviously written for a downloaded version, and not that on the DVD).
Quoting verbatim two of the steps in the PDF:
Q’s: Why would it be necessary to redirect USR sample waveform content to FL1 for Chick’s Mark V? Do any of the versions actually have content that was originally in USR SDRAM on the developer’s XF? (I assume there are a few versions, since there certainly are a few different file names being referenced.) |
DavePolich
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I’m “DCP”. Yes, I did some new programs for Chick’s Mark V and that’s what the DCP version is. The samples are the same, but the programs are
The reason you need to direct samples to load onto the flashboard is simple - the library is larger in sample size than can be loaded to user RAM, which is only 128MB. |
5pinDIN
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Thanks for replying.
The implication has been that the 10th Anniversary Pack includes what is in the Chick’s Mark V offering from Motifator Shop. However, apparently that isn’t the case. Would you care to clarify what the program differences are?
I’m aware that the XF has only 128 MB of SDRAM, and that a library larger than that obviously can’t be loaded to it. You missed the point of my question. The 400 MB of samples in the file were certainly not residing in your XF’s 128 MB SDRAM, and the file is a “.n2.X3A” (indicating that there are no samples in it from FL2). That leaves the original source of the samples being FL1. I would expect the instructions to have the user direct FL1 content to FL1 (or optionally FL2) in their XF. However, you’re told to direct USR samples to FL1. Why? By the way, I’m not asking “why?” just for the sake of argument. After purchasing an XF6 plus the 10th Anniversary Pack, and thinking that I had my head wrapped around the issue of loading the flash module(s), the instructions for Chick’s Mark V don’t make any sense to me. I’d appreciate it if Bad_Mister would weigh in on this. |
DavePolich
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Again - simple answer to your question - When I loaded the library to do my programming, of course the samples were loaded to my flashboard (in the FL1 slot). When I was done, I saved back onto USB this way:
Type: All
This way, all the samples that the library uses are saved WITH the file onto USB. The samples loaded to my FL1 board were still there, until I went ahead and deleted them to make room for some other libraries I wanted to load. If you want to load a library and load its samples to a flashboard, and then you do a few voice tweaks but don’t want to save the entire library with samples back onto your USB drive, you’d do it thus:
Save All
Regarding naming of XF files, if the file references samples in flashboard 1, then it will be saved with the “n2.X3a” suffix indicating that there were samples loaded to FL1 when it was saved.
If the file referenced samples that were entirely in user RAM, and NOT in either flashboard (or, it did not use samples at all) then it would have “.n3.X3a” in the suffix of the name, meaning that there were no samples in either FL1 or FL2.
Btw, although Bad Mister may choose to “weigh in” on this, I’m the one who did the DCP version of Chick’s Mark V, so in this case I know exactly how it was done. |
5pinDIN
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Wow, Dave, you’ve managed to avoid answering my questions yet again. :-) I’ll try one more time. You’ve told us that the samples were in FL1 (as expected) when you created the file, not USR SDRAM. So why do the instructions say to load USR to FL1?
(I noticed that you also didn’t tell us what the differences in the programs are between the version of Chick’s Mark V that Motifator Shop sells and the one that comes on the 10th Anniversary Pack DVD.)
I’m sure you know “how it was done”, but that’s really not the issue. Did you also write “Chick’s Mark V Manual.pdf” (because that’s what doesn’t make sense)? I’m not asking Bad_Mister to comment on “how it was done”, but rather on how to load to flash what you did, something he should be highly qualified to comment on. In particular, I’d like to know if he can explain why (for the Chick’s Mark V ALL file) that USR should be loaded to FL1. I’m beginning to suspect that the Chick’s Mark V manual is a victim of a bad cut-and-paste job, with material taken from a manual for a different library (such as one that was originally for the XS). |
DavePolich
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Ok. Let’s clear this up for you. yes, I wrote the manual. Then it was delivered, along with the All file, to Keyfax. Kayfax may or may not have edited it further..but the manual that I wrote clearly states:
Now, if these directions are followed exactly, the library will load correctly. Regardless of what SHOULD technically be stated. If you want to call it an egregious typo or omission, that’s ok with me. And if you want the manual corrected, call Keyfax and have them do it. Or better yet, just follow the instructions and the file will load fine. |
5pinDIN
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Keyfax apparently didn’t edit what you wrote, since the PDF contains the above, verbatim.
I wouldn’t call it “egregious”, but it’s not just a “typo or omission” either - it’s an error. Since I assume you know how the flash modules are used, I’ll repeat my suspicion that the error was due to a cut-and-paste mishap. If/when your instructions work, it’s because by default original FL1 content is directed to FL1. If there was nothing in User SDRAM when the file was saved, then there’s no need to direct USR to FL1 (or FL2). On the other hand, if someone had previously set the XF so that FL1 content would be loaded to some of the other choices ("FL1 without sample”, “FL2 without sample”, or “None"), the samples would not load by just following your instructions. Please understand that I didn’t start out with the intent of finding fault with what you wrote. To the contrary, your instructions had me doubting my own understanding of flash module loading, which is why I initially asked “Why would it be necessary to redirect USR sample waveform content to FL1 for Chick’s Mark V?”. Your reluctance to consider the points I raised in an unbiased manner caused me to keep making sure I wasn’t missing something. Thanks for that - I no longer doubt myself on this topic. |