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gkstudio
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Joined 09-25-2010 status: Newcomer |
Hi !!!
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Bad_Mister
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Welcome to the Forums! A “Sample Memory Full!” message will appear when you have exceeded or the operation you are getting ready to execute would exceed the available Sample memory. This could happen by attempting to load data into a target that has reached either its size Limit or its number of samples Limit, or the target may not have enough memory for what you are attempting to do.
Press [UTILITY]
This screen will tell you the condition of your current FLASH MEMORY modules.
Verify that you have two formatted Boards with 510MB being reported as the Size
If not: (let us know before you try any other experiments) Each of your FL512M Boards can hold 510MB of audio data, 2048 Waveforms, 8192 Samples - and will be reported FULL when any of these limits has been reached. It is very much a ‘whichever comes first’ proposition. Trying every possible configuration is not going to get you results. In fact it could cause problems. There is one correct configuration depending on what it is and where you it is you want to load your data. As I understand what you wrote, you have 850MB in a .X0A file that you are attempting to convert to work in a Motif XF. Here is why it will not work:
SDRAM in your Motif XF has a maximum of 128MB
Your file obviously cannot be targeted to any of these locations in one operation, because 850MB will not fit. It is that simple. So attempting to send data from your file: “USR” would always be the source, as the XS would not have data originating in FL1 or FL2):
The Motif XF will report that what you are attempting will not work, the way you are attempting it. You will need to install data from your File in a more systematic way. Because you do not have an equivalently sized location to simply target all of the data - in one operation. You only need to do this once, but you do need to reconfigure your Motif XS data for the new system in the Motif XF. It is as simple and complex as that. Unlike the XS, the User DIMMs sticks that you installed for your XS, does not exist in the XF (do not equate the FLASH BOARDS with your DIMMs) If anything you can compare the XF’s 128MB SDRAM called “USR” to your XS’s USER DIMMs. The FLASH BOARDS allow you to install the Sample and Waveform data so that it remains in tact - between power cycles. That is what is different about how they work, but also different is how you put data into this memory area. LOADING sample data to the FLASH area is quite a different operation than it was when you were using the DIMMs of your XS. You select the data that you want to keep permanently (semi-permanently) and you install it to the FLASH BOARD, when you do this the XF becomes responsible for remembering where that data is, so that when you select or load a VOICE that uses your custom audio data, the XF will know where to find it. In the XS this was easy, the XS only had to remember until you powered down. The XF has to remember - FROM NOW ON, where you put the specific audio data for each and every VOICE that you create (FROM NOW ON). This responsibility requires that you allow the XF to do its “cataloging” of your data. Remember you can load individual VOICES and move them around to any location in your XF, but the XF has to know and keep track of where the original audio source wave data is stored… independent of the VOICE bank location that you place the VOICE data. You are literally extending the WAVE ROM of the XF with your custom SAMPLE and WAVEFORM data.
So before we correct what you have done - lets be sure of where you are now.
Once we are sure of what data you have installed (if any) then we can proceed to working out a method for you to proceed to convert and load the data efficiently, into your available memory modules.
Remember you want to only install the Waveform data that pretains to VOICES you actually want to use.
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maahou
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Joined 07-18-2011 status: Pro |
You should buy a 1gb Flash if possible and do a USR>FL1 , with your FL1=1gB |
Redhotpoker
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Joined 11-18-2010 status: Guru |
Hi gkstudio,
I just have a question or two for you now.
I’m still without any Flash on my Motif XF8 and would like to purchase an FL1024M very soon.
Thanks for your thoughts Chas |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
Point of order: while, yes, a 1024MB board would be able to load (install) the 850MB of audio data in one operation, it does not mean that you cannot install your data in your current situation. I highly recommend that you only install the data that you actually need. Do not make the mistake that many make and just install everything from a Library whether it is important (for them) or not. |
gkstudio
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Joined 09-25-2010 status: Newcomer |
Hi to RedHotPoker
I am sorry for the delay.
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5pinDIN
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Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
That’s not correct. A combination of 512MB and 1024MB flash modules can be installed.
See Bad_Mister‘s post in this thread:
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gkstudio
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Unfortunately, It’s too late for me now.
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cmayhle
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Joined 10-05-2011 status: Guru |
gkstudio, it appears to me that in his most recent post above Bad_Mister stated that you CAN load the total data across (2) 512MB boards(?) You will just need to split the data into (2) sections and load (1) onto each board. |
5pinDIN
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With two 512MB flash modules, you do have 1GB of flash memory.
How big is the largest sample in your file? If it’s under 512MB, there’s no problem - you can install up to 1GB of samples, split between the two modules you have. The only thing is that you can’t load the 850MB as easily (in one step) as with a single 1024MB module. I suggest that you reply to Bad_Mister‘s question above ("UTILITY > [F6] FLASH > What does this screen tell you?"), which will allow him to help you further. |
cmayhle
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From your first post (Above), you say you had an 850MB file loaded into an XS board. Since the only way to load 850MB into an XS requires (2) DIMM modules, the sample file you are trying to load must be able to be split between (2) 512MB XF FLASH boards also. |
5pinDIN
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That might seem logical, but unfortunately there’s no such parallel between the two types of memory. The Toshiba processor being used can run memory in dual-channel mode (which speeds things up). An XS indeed requires that DIMMs be installed in pairs. Data isn’t split between the DIMMs in the manner you might expect. See this. The flash modules are addressed individually, so there’s no requirement for more than one, or matching the capacity if you have two. |
cmayhle
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Thanks 5pinDIN, my bad! |
5pinDIN
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No big deal - I just wanted to clarify what can be a confusing issue. |
cmayhle
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So gkstudio, per the previous post from 5pinDIN:
IF you truly want to install the full 850MB and
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Bad_Mister
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It is not a matter of “IF” it simply is how one would have to configure the data. Its not really a big deal. Data that was used in an XS was written only temporarily to DIMMs, data being installed to FLASH Boards is handled in quite a different manner. The XF will catalog where the audio is placed - this is necessary. You are saying “IF” as there is a possibility that it might not fit or something. I can assure you there is no such possibility. The 850MB will fit on two 512MB Boards. |