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Posted on: June 20, 2012 @ 12:17 PM
judaskiss
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hi everyone,
i recently got a sh es6 and all is great but i’m having a problem, when i load a song from usb drive all voices and the mix setings are reseted, piano on all tracks.. can’t figure out what setings are not ok
what have i done wrong?
apreciate any answer

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Posted on: June 20, 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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What is the source of these songs? Are you loading Standard MIDI Files?

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Posted on: June 20, 2012 @ 02:29 PM
judaskiss
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yes, smf,it’s what i’ve worker on es, but happened the same with other midi files,
i tryed to set in utility prog change to off - worked but not for all files

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Posted on: June 20, 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Load the SMF as a song, then press the Edit button.

You will be able to see the data for each track. Look for Program Change messages. If these are absent, the ES will default to the piano voice on each track. This is most likely your problem.

If the SMFs are supposed to be GM or GS compatible, there should be a GM mode message, probably on track 1.

If you have no idea what I am talking about, let us know.

You should also read this and this.

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Posted on: June 22, 2012 @ 01:38 PM
judaskiss
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thanks for this informations, but still don’t work properly
i loaded a gm file downloaded from the internet: one time worked perfect, and 10times not..
on the other side, i finally saved the song i was working on, and it work perfect. but, if i edit that song, save it with another name, won’t load properly (eaven if i inserted the GMreset command and programm change comands) - piano on all tracks.
don’t understand this situations

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Posted on: June 22, 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Does the file that comes with the article “How to Create Proper GM Files” work when you downloaded it?
If yes, then it is your ability to create that setup data. take a look at how that example file is setup.

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Posted on: June 22, 2012 @ 03:41 PM
judaskiss
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if it’s my ability why one saved version works, and after i load it, if i save again(without doing anything to it)the same song in a different folder this one is reseted???
shouldn’t loose my time with this motif,
reason worked just fine
PS: OS update??

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Posted on: June 22, 2012 @ 03:55 PM
meatballfulton
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You are probably running afoul of the way the ES saves the mixing data for songs and patterns, particularly the Phrase Header. This confused me for a while when I first got my ES.

Read this thread about Phrase Headers.

You may find this thread also helpful.

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Posted on: June 22, 2012 @ 04:36 PM
judaskiss
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thanks for youre answer
maybe i just have to play along with the es to understand all the tips, i think it didn’t save the mixv seting right(in the “save song” mode), when saved the smf.
still remains the question: why other smf one time loaded ok, and other times no?
what must be seted wrong?

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Posted on: June 27, 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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Please remember SMF or Standard MIDI File, is a file format that can be read by almost any piece of MIDI gear. It does not therefore contain any specific settings for any specific piece of gear.

So loading a SMF into the ES and then making edits with ES parameters, say you select new Voices, change the effects assigned, etc., etc. and now you want to SAVE that work… you must SAVE it in a Motif ES file format. Saving it again as a SMF will strip off all of the Motif ES settings you made… because remember the SMF is not specific to any one piece of gear. So your Motif ES parameters (like the unique Motif ES Voices and Effects you selected) are not going to translate as “standard”

So SAVE your data in a Motif ES file format - either ALL (.W7A) or ALL SONG (.W7S)

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Posted on: June 27, 2012 @ 03:25 PM
judaskiss
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you are right. i just realized that this days reading again the manual

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