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Mlg4ever
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I do have Internet and a wide range of wifi at my house, I now have the XF and thanks to your help the latest version 130, what is IIAF and what do I need to do to become a beneficiary of it.
Mostly I just want to try this operation successfully: sample in voice mode, associate the wave sample to a voice and save it to the flash board, turn off the machine and back on, find the voice with sample and understand why I did all that, meaning why am I sampling in voice mode, in what ways if many can I make use of this wave sample?
I do appreciate deep knowledge on the subject, which I plan to get to later on after I have a somewhat clear idea what I’m doing with this and how I’m doing it. I know there is trials and errors but I do need that guide from anyone who’s already doing this successfully, of whom I know there are plenty.
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DavePolich
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Answered in your other thread. |
Bad_Mister
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“sample in voice mode” - nothing about this is different in the XF than it was in the XS. It is exactly the same. (see linked article below) “associate the wave sample to a voice” - nothing about this is different in the XF than it was in the XS. You will find it exactly the same. (see linked article below) “save it to the flash board” - Any, and all samples that you record or import to the XF will be imported to the internal SDRAM (USR) memory. If you sample in VOICE mode the sample is automatically assigned to the VOICE, and will point to SDRAM (USER) because that is where the sample is currently existing. Moving any sample that you create to Flash is easy:
Press [INTEGRATED SAMPLING]
Select your WAVEFORM (001-128), you can use the [SF1] AUDITION button, if necessary.
Once you have renamed and press [ENTER]
The process of burning (installing) your sample to FLASH takes place The Motif XF will automatically find the lowest numbered empty WAVFORM location for your data and install it on your board. It will automatically reprogram your VOICE (the one you sampled into) so that it points to the FLASH board you selected.
Now you can:
Sampling in VOICE mode
Sampling Basics for the Motif XS - Although written for the Motif XS it applies in full to the Motif XF. We highly recommend the DVD, by the way - as it will help you immensely in seeing how this is done and how all things work together. The article above is a step-by-step on using the SAMPLER to create a VOICE and will only work if you actually are doing it, step-by-step. The article on FLASH talks about what’s new about FLASH, and does not include the very basics of sampling (this can be rectified with a stapler - they are separate, although related topics). Try the tutorial, it’s been up there for about 3 years now (when the XS OS moved to version 1.5. You will find that the XF looks very much like 1.5 of the XS - the tutorial takes you through the sampling VOICE (and particularly, where the VOICE “points” to the USR bank). Don’t let FLASH make you think something is radically different in how the XF samples, it’s not. When you look at it - it has been made so simple that all you need to do is COPY your sample to one of the two Board slots… it does the rest. Hope that helps. |
Mlg4ever
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Thanks bad mister, this was so serious I took the whole weekend to focus just on studying the link to sampling you provided all over again with a blank mind. I’m looking to graduate this time around. This is exactly what I was looking for and I don’t know why it has to be you who points at the right direction all the time. And you have a modesty about it and a grace that just bewilders me. I mean thanks! This revision indeed answered a lot of concerns that I had and subsequently created more questions, which I hope you could help me with. This is getting to be one of those turning point study for me. I’m really beginning to get it. It all starts to make sense. I attempted to read this power user before but I came out more empty-ended than this time around. What’s good about you is you understand people’s problems as if you actually saw them get into them. After your reply I shut down all my computers and grabbed my iPad and my XF and went up to the highest room in the house for study. A whole day and a half later I descended with a glow on my face. I can see. Then again I want to know...a few questions; some of which may seem dumb to you. - while sampling, what justifies recording samples stacked up on one key versus across a range of keys. Because in the course of this study I tried rec. samples on top of each other, even though they appeared individually with separate numbers on sample select screen, however playback was simultaneous and kind of unintelligible and confusing. My concern then was, you defined a waveform as “multiple keybanks grouped together”, I suppose as they appear on the sample select screen. Is this applicable for all modes or just some. While sampling in pattern, selecting a new track automatically prompts a new waveform, staying on the same track records on top of the previous sample.  Why wasn’t I able to group samples to form a waveform? - about naming samples and waveforms. Shouldn’t this name appear also in the mix if I use the sample.  Is it possible to name before recording or is it only after and in job mode only. - about selecting an empty waveform. Your example shows a series of 0001 but the XF shows a series of 001 does this matter? Is there reduction in the total number of waveforms available from the XS to the XF? -In sample rec. mode if I reduce the Rec. monitor to 000, how am I going to hear myself? - About note-on, I understand this is created automatically. Can this be done manually? - About panning in sample edit mode."this is useful when setting up a stereo pair of samples or samples you want to pair Left and Right  ” Can the same result be achieved in the mix environment using the track pans, or is this some kind of special effects. I’m asking because I do perceive in some songs when the chorus comes in, some vocal parts sound as if they were sounding kind of like floating so close above the upper right/left side of the ears. It’s a great illusion that I’m learning how to do. If this is the way maybe.
- About one dB of gain reduction VCM comp.Â
I can write about this because this is what I see, but I don’t know how to interpret this into gain reduction. Help!
I loved the result I got after doing the test of recording vox this way with the VCM comp. can I record my leads vocalists using this method?Â
By the way XSpand your world was updated with new sounds, are these compatible with XF?Â
Is the Flash board in the XF useable as DIMM memory in case I need DIMMs to install big files on the XF?
Thanks, thanks, thank you for your time. |
Bad_Mister
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When you sample you get to set a TARGET. The target is always in a VOICE. The target always is a KEY within that VOICE. One sample gets to go to one KEY. That simple, that complex. Samples can later be “mapped” to a key range but initially they are assigned one KEY from which it will sound in its original PITCH. There are 128 KEYS in the MIDI range C-2 through G8, the default KEY is C3 If you are recording a DRUM or PERCUSSION sound (Snare, for example) you would, again, assign this to ONE key because that is all it will ever need to playback. Make sense? That one key should be C3 because it is in the middle of the playable keyboard. This makes it easy to set the range for both HIGHER and LOWER pitches - when you want to TUNE that drum. Middle C is right in the middle, after all. In order to TUNE a drum you must set the NOTE range so that includes a range of pitches. If you are recording an AUDIO CLIP (loop, for example) you would assign this to ONE key. This is one of the reason why it makes sense to put audio clips (loops) in a Drum kit. Both the DRUM/PERCUSSION sound and the LOOP are typically set to be just 1 KEY assignments. Typically these are “one-sample-waveforms” If, however, you are recording a FLUTE (and are making a playable musical instrument) you would need to make several samples and “map” them across the keyboard so that you can play them with different pitches. Say you record the flute player playing a middle C you would assign this to C3.... next you ask them to play an F# above middle C… you would set the TARGET for this sample to F#3 (not C3) ... then you ask them to play C above middle C… you would set the TARGET for this sample to C4 (not C3) make sense. You wind up with multiple samples making up your waveform. This is what is called a normal Voice.
Then when you go to INTEGRATED SAMPLING and you see your sample in the WAVEFORM, you can then go and edit the range of notes each sample will cover across the keyboard. You might set the F#3 sample so that it plays C#3~F#3.
When sampling into a DRUM Voice - the Motif XF assumes you are doing so because you are creating an AUDIO CLIP or PERCUSSION sound (not a musical instrument) so it offers you a new WAVEFORM, each time you go to sample, quite naturally. If, however, you were sampling a musicial instrument in VOICE mode (to a normal Voice) the XF would have assumed you were doing so because you want to create a playable instrument - and would allow you to sample into the same WAVEFORM.
It’s a feature - to take advantage of it - you simply have to use the XF logically.
You are always able to select where your sample goes. What you are questioning is why the XF chose to offer you a “new” WAVEFORM when you were sampling… it did so based on the type of Voice and the MODE you were in when you entered the [INTEGRATED SAMPLING] mode We call this “context sensitivity”… a fancy phrase for the operating system making certain things available based on what logically you would need. If it makes a selection you don’t like - change it! The rest of your questions ... I think will make more sense as you start working with the XF. Like the one that is about naming the sample and that name appearing in the MIX. No, no --- we can see you thinking this if only one sample were in a waveform.
See, if you are working in the world of DRUM samples or LOOP audio clips (what I referred to as those that naturally are one-sample-Waveforms) then you might think the NAME of the sample should apply to the whole Waveform… It’s like trying to make a conclusion about an elephant by only looking at the tail..
But once you start working with it you realize that a Waveform could contain (at maximum 128) samples…
At maximum 128 samples can be in a WAVEFORM, 8 Waveforms can be used in a Normal User VOICE - that’s 1024 samples in a VOICE (at maximum) which one of the samples should be the default name for the whole VOICE? What appears in the MIX screen is the name of the USER SAMPLE VOICE, not necessarily just the name of one sample within that VOICE… that USER SAMPLE VOICE might contain as few as 1 sample but could contain as many as 1024. Most times its less than that but you get the idea… a WAVEFORM can be as few as 1 and as many as 128 samples. The WAVEFORM NAME should describe the entire WAVEFORM (not just one of the samples that is in it). |
Mlg4ever
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If i followed you correctly, that is so powerful and dangerous. It makes me a sound developer just like that, kind of like Yamaha. What does the future hold?Â
Here’s a problem I’m in pattern mode working on a section. While I’m at it an idea strikes me and I decide to record it quickly before I forget. Success, it’s in, and then another and then another. That’s 3 vocals/ waves. Now I’m stuck with these to carry during my copy and append operations. Even though I know the ISS is able to work that way however a lot of times there seems to be skips from one section to the next if I tie my sections and appends with samples in them already. I guess it’s just one of those weakness I have to learn to do with, but I’d rather not work with sections with samples in them already. Honestly not knowing what to do, I went to sample job mode and copied the waveform 1 to flash memory hoping I saved these inspired vocals which I name “inspired.” however not being fully in control of what I’m doing, I refrain from deleting anything. Ideally I’d have wanted to work light.
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Bad_Mister
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It is almost impossible to follow you. But what it seems you are NOT getting is this
Press [INTEGRATED SAMPLING]
If you were not paying attention and recorded into the next Waveform, you are not defeated - simply learn to use your sequencer to select the VOICES you want to play. Your sample is always placed in a VOICE (I said this in the last post). That USER SAMPLE VOICE is selectable like any VOICE in the Motif XF via BANK SELECT and PROGRAM CHANGE You can also MOVE your samples from one place to another. But the best way to organize your data is to do so before you record… Press [INTEGRATED SAMPLING] and select the WAVEFORM you want to sample into. it is that simple and that complex. Is it possible to create a Note-on manually? Are you asking a serious question. Of course it is possible to create Note-ons manually - the Motif XF has a sequencer. Seriously I don’t know what to say about how to answer that…
Put the track in OVERDUB record and press the key
Since you asked that question twice now, I guess you are serious. So I’ll state the obvious:
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Mlg4ever
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Oh I couldn’t be more serious. I might not be asking the right question. But the keyboard has been sitting right threre as I wait for the reply. I do believe you see my concern. It’s not like I’m guessing this. It happened in the middle of my work. I’m going to try what you said, which I think I did already but I wasn’t successful.
I thought of clearing/erasing the track altogether, but I don’t know what I’ll get after that. |
Mlg4ever
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As uncanny as that is, I pressed rec. but I still hear the flat piano sound. Ok, I think it’s all messed up now. I gotta start all over. Even the rest of the vox don’t play anymore. I must have done something wrong that I missed. Not your fault in explaining but mine in this process. |
Mlg4ever
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How is this possible? I press INTEGRATED SAMPLING
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Mlg4ever
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Alright, I got my first set of vocal playing along again by realizing they played thru USER1then recorded it. I just got to figure out where to find the rest. |
MarPabl
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Read this article: Integrated Sampling Sequencer Basics and carefully follow the instructions outlined there. |
Mlg4ever
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Thanks, I’m going to read it right now! |
Mlg4ever
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Ok, I accomplished what I’ve been trying to do. I worked a quick pattern with vocals here and there. After following the many referenced support materials by great you all here, I was able to shut down and get back to my pattern with all the samples in place. I needed that to allow the XF a big entry in the studio. It’s now a permanent productive member of this crew. For the next couple of days I’ll be busy rearranging and cleaning up the studio space. It’s now welcome. I know I couldn’t do that with just the XS. Although I have to admit that I’m still making baby steps when it comes to the XF, I appreciate and thank BadMister, MarPabl for sticking with me in this thread, and in passing Vikasharma, RedHotPoker and Davepolich for their earlier support.
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Redhotpoker
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Hi Mig4ever,
When the XF Fully Loaded video was suggested for you, to help make much of what you were asking, simplified, you got angry and were actually quite rude in the doing. I appreciate moody, I get there on occasion as well, but I don’t ever try to bite the hand that feeds me. Congratulations with your current situation and happiness.
ps, if ‘we’ think before ‘we’ speak/type, ‘we’ can often save ‘ourself’ much remorse in the after thought.
Ah, from me, you’re welcome. Be nice it lasts way longer, and actually feels pretty great too. Chas |
Mlg4ever
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“Si vis pacem, para bellum” Peace brother |