I read with great interest the wonderful article Bad Mister wrote about Motif XF Flash Memory Expansion Modules.

But I found a sentence that, imho, doesn’t make sense:

“FL1 > FL1” - you can target data that was saved from the FL1 board back to FL1

Why the same data saved into FL1 is sent bak to FL1 again???
This applies also to FL2.

Please help…
TIA
Michael

When you SAVE data to a file, among other things, the following also gets saved to the file:

Data residing in USER SDRAM - denoted by USR
Data residing in Flash Memory Module 1 - denoted by FL1
Data residing in Flash Memory Module 2 - denoted by FL2

Data, in this case, means Waveforms and Samples.

Now, when you LOAD data from this file, you have the following options:

USR > USR | FL1 | FL2
Load the data that was residing in USER SDRAM when this file was created to
> USR (USER SDRAM) or
> FL1 (Flash Memory Module 1) or
> FL2 (Flash Memory Module 2)
depending upon the choice you make.

FL1 > USR | FL1 | FL2 | FL1 without sample | FL2 without sample | None
Load the data that was residing in Flash Memory Module 1 when this file was created to
> USR (USER SDRAM) or
> FL1 (Flash Memory Module 1) or
> FL2 (Flash Memory Module 2) or
> FL1 without sample (FL1 - just load waveforms, don’t load samples) or
> FL2 without sample (FL2 - just load waveforms, don’t load samples) or
> None (Do not load the data)
depending upon the choice you make.

FL2 > USR | FL1 | FL2 | FL1 without sample | FL2 without sample | None
Load the data that was residing in Flash Memory Module 2 when this file was created to
> USR (USER SDRAM) or
> FL1 (Flash Memory Module 1) or
> FL2 (Flash Memory Module 2) or
> FL1 without sample (FL1 - just load waveforms, don’t load samples) or
> FL2 without sample (FL2 - just load waveforms, don’t load samples) or
> None (Do not load the data)
depending upon the choice you make.

Please also see Page 248 of the XF Reference Manual.

Hope that helps.

VikasSharma - 11 January 2012 09:42 AM

Please also see Page 248 of the XF Reference Manual.

Hope that helps.

VikasSharma

Thanks for your reply but I need your help again… :-)

I read both the English and the Italian version of XF Reference manual… but they are still quite confusing :-(

If I have clearly understood I can save onto an ALL file data (waveforms, samples etc. in a word ,everything) coming from:
- USER SDRAM
- FL1
- FL2

I can choose whether to save into the aforementioned file FL / FL2 with or without samples. In the latter case I’d save just waveforms settings… This sounds good to me.

But the problems arise when it’s time to load data…
In fact, assuming I want loading data from the ALL file I did before, why should I load back waveforms and samples again to FL1 (or FL2) if they’re still there and can’t be overwritten?

Do I confuse the concept of waveform with the sample one?
Perhaps the misunderstanding starts from here…

In other words, from an ALL file I can load data and redirect it to:
- USER SDRAM
- FL1
- FL2

But I’m still uncertain about loading to FL1/FL2 with or without samples…

Perhaps loading data without samples from FL1 (ALL file) to the FL1 inside Motif XF, does make sense…
But loading data with samples from FL1 (ALL file) to the FL1 inside Motif XF, does NOT make sense…

You can read also this from Bad_Mister :

http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/456256

maahou - 11 January 2012 11:36 AM

You can read also this from Bad_Mister :

http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/456256

Messing in my mind increases… :-D
Hope total Librarian will help…

There are several possible scenarios, but let me take just a few.

Suppose you’ve saved all your data to an ALL file say Backup.X3A. This ALL file would contain your Voices, Performances, Songs, Patterns, Waveforms, Samples, Utility Settings, etc.

Scenario 1:
You subsequently edit some Voices and load some new Voices to your Motif.

Now, you would like to restore some Voices from your Backup.X3A file. Since you already have the Waveforms and Samples loaded on your Flash Memory modules, you would use the following LOAD options:

USR > USR
FL1 > None
FL2 > None

Scenario 2:
In addition to your Home Studio, you also play at the Church (or Temple, Mosque, Gurdwara, whatever) and you have a Motif XF there with Flash Memory modules installed.

Now, you would like to have the same setup as you have at home XF replicated to the other XF. Since you neither have the required Waveforms nor Samples loaded on the Flash Memory modules of this other XF, you would use the following LOAD options:

USR > USR
FL1 > FL1
FL2 > FL2

Scenario 3:
You’re flying from Italy to India for a concert. At the concert venue, you’re provided an XF. You can leave your XF back home and save yourself some $$$. Just carry your Flash Memory modules and your ALL file in a USB drive. At the venue, put your Flash modules into the XF. In this case, you would use the following LOAD options:

USR > USR
FL1 > FL1 without sample
FL2 > FL2 without sample

Hope that helps.

Thanks VikasSharma

It’s a little more clear now, but to understand in full I think I have to experiment and hurt my nose against Flash RAM boards :-)

Perhaps a good way is to select Voices, keybanks and samples through Totale Editor and then take note. In a second step, loading them vith “1 Voice” option and, little by little, filling the Flash boards (when avaliable).

My goal is having 2GB, but they’re so expensive now.

Scenario 4
Your tech puts the boards in the wrong slots in the “rental” XF- because they are not sure which one was FL1 in your XF and which was FL2.

USR > USR
FL1 > FL2 without sample
FL2 > FL1 without sample

_ Data created in SDRAM is returned to SDRAM
_ Your data saved as “FL1” needs to find audio samples NOW in the other slot, so “FL1 > FL2 without samples”
_ Your data saved as “FL2” needs to find audio samples in the other slot so “FL2 > FL1 without samples”

If this option did not exist - we would be getting a phone call from a frantic keyboard tech, wondering why we didn’t include that option. Avoids having to unplug, get a screwdriver, swap the boards… etc., etc.

I think all possibilities are covered - at least as best as I can tell. If engineering left out a sitation, let us know.

Scenario 2:

USR > USR
FL1 > FL1
FL2 > FL2

Do you mean??
USR > USR
FL1 > FL1 with SAMPLES
FL2 > FL2 with SAMPLES

This applies because that 2nd Motif XF has Flash boards installed, but empty. Right??

Scenario 3:

USR > USR
FL1 > FL1 without sample
FL2 > FL2 without sample

This applies because that 2nd Motif XF has my Flash boards installed by me and filled with my samples. Right??

Although John Melas Total Librarian is an excellent tool (as are all the other tools developed by John), it is better to 1st try and understand how things work on the Motif itself. Once you get the concepts, you’ll be able to make much more efficient use of the tools at your disposal. This forum is a great resource to help overcome the learning curve.

digitalperformer7 - 11 January 2012 02:13 PM

Scenario 2:

USR > USR
FL1 > FL1
FL2 > FL2

Do you mean??
USR > USR
FL1 > FL1 with SAMPLES
FL2 > FL2 with SAMPLES

This applies because that 2nd Motif XF has Flash boards installed, but empty. Right??

Yes.

Scenario 3:

USR > USR
FL1 > FL1 without sample
FL2 > FL2 without sample

This applies because that 2nd Motif XF has my Flash boards installed by me and filled with my samples. Right??

Yes.

Also, have a look at the Scenario 4 mentioned by Bad_Mister above.

Correct.

From the FLASH BOARDS article:
“Now those are all the possibilities for the ALL data file. Don’t let it bother you if you have no need for some of the options right now. You may, in fact, never have need of some of them. But it is important to find and know the ones that you will use.”