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colonyrecords
Total Posts: 39
Joined 10-23-2008 status: Regular |
Hi Guys, I have been thinking of selling my XF6 for the new MOX. It seems yamaha arent really thinking about improvments / upgrades to the OS of the XF. The MOX is way better integrated with cubase (AI knob etc, remote mode), the sequencer seems more direct and less of a hassle. Built in usb audio card. Using the MOX at the GC it just feels overall more snappy /faster, its hard to explain. Maybe the CPU is newer / faster or because of the smaller screen there is less processing to do i dont know.
I would be just losing Flash RAM & Sampling which for the cost of the XF compared to the MOX is sad. I know technology moves fast an all but the flagship keyboard seems to be lagging behind the cheaper one in features.
Has anyone else thought about doing this or have already? If so do you miss your XF. |
meatballfulton
Total Posts: 3022
Joined 01-25-2005 status: Guru |
It’s more than just losing sampling, you get fewer insert FX, only half the polyphony and an external power supply (I really hate those). The screen of the MOX is like that of the Classic, ES and MO. Both the XS and XF have slower screen response by comparison. Guess it depends on what’s important to you. |
DavePolich
Total Posts: 6820
Joined 07-27-2002 status: Guru |
1. XF sounds better than the MOX. 2. You do give up sampling capability and opportunity to load any third-party libraries that contain new samples.
3. You give up the option of keeping samples stored on a flashboard and
4. XF has a bigger LCD with much more detail.
5. XF performances allow all 4 parts to have insert effects switched on.
6. The MOX may “seem snappier and faster” because the CPU has less to do. If more integration with Cubase is important to you, fine...it isn’t to people who use other DAW’s. USB audio card - nice, but there are certainly other USB audio interfaces available. Would I say you’re crazy to sell your XF for a MOX? Well, maybe not textbook insane, but you’ll certainly miss how good the XF sounds, and I think you will come to regret not having access to the sampling/loading new samples. |
MarPabl
Total Posts: 560
Joined 09-08-2011 status: Guru |
As the OP says, MOX has some features which indeed are superior compared with Motif XF, righ out of the box. Check this thread: |
summers
Total Posts: 190
Joined 05-22-2007 status: Pro |
yes |
jeansdave7
Total Posts: 1
Joined 01-07-2012 status: Newcomer |
Re: hi to all |
Swikkythorn
Total Posts: 46
Joined 09-24-2011 status: Regular |
I think you were right.
The XF6 WITHOUT option is 2,5 more expensive than a Mox6 in europe !!!
I think we have to consider that yamaha have to respond to the Korg’s Kronos flagship. It make sense to sell the XF6 before its release. In comparison, the Motif XS are almost unsealable today.
Then you have time to master the MOX and the Yamaha philosophy.
Otherwise, if the money is not a problem, upgrade your XF6. My humble opinion. |
colonyrecords
Total Posts: 39
Joined 10-23-2008 status: Regular |
Thanks for the replies people… Im still scratching my head about this decision.. The XF could be so much better with a few new features from the MOX OS. I mean how about real time punch in in pattern mode, how hard would that be to add. How about a UNDO button next to the erase button when in record mode so you dont have to stop the seq and dig into menus.. Im trying hard to keep the XF because i do love the sounds but it seems that its dead to yamaha becuase they are probably creating some new workstation to compete with the kronos.. |
extreme777
Total Posts: 63
Joined 10-14-2010 status: Experienced |
I think you are not crazy .For example MOX is much much faster compared to XF. I think that XF uses a processor that is not really adequate |
Swikkythorn
Total Posts: 46
Joined 09-24-2011 status: Regular |
And I thought the MOX was slow in store function ( a progression bar and a metronome are displayed for 3 long seconds ...) |
5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
Those who remember (or even just know) why the word “patch” used to be applied to what we now call a “program”, “voice”, etc. (depending on manufacturer), raise your hands. How long did it take to “save” the patch? How long did it take to change patches? How many patches could be played at once? :-) It amazes me, no matter what advancements are made (often at a lower cost to the user than the previous technology), that satisfaction seemingly lasts for a shorter and shorter time. Try making music - it will distract you from thinking about the “inadequacies” of your gear. |
cmayhle
Total Posts: 3116
Joined 10-05-2011 status: Guru |
5pinDin, I am 100% with you on this one |
Swikkythorn
Total Posts: 46
Joined 09-24-2011 status: Regular |
We are in the 21th GHz century. In the industry, it is generaly admitted that a human who is waiting more than one second before an display interface ( which costs here near 1000 € !!! ) is too much time , and less for my personal music time.
I respect your choices. I m so sorry. I dislike waiting in my hobbies.
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5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
Proving my point that we’re never satisfied.
Oh, I appreciate fast interfaces and other rapid operation. I just don’t concentrate on speed to the exclusion of other considerations.
I don’t feel superior to you, I’m just apparently more patient. :-) |
Swikkythorn
Total Posts: 46
Joined 09-24-2011 status: Regular |
Proving my point that we’re never satisfied
I just don’t concentrate on speed to the exclusion of other considerations
I’m just apparently more patient. :-)
We are then almost agree.
Thanks. Happy New Year and good music for all! |
5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
Anyone who has read my posts over a period of time knows that I don’t blindly support everything Yamaha does. If Yamaha doesn’t “respect this general rule”, then a potential buyer who cares about it should probably purchase a brand which does “respect” it. If purchase of a Yamaha is made, then evidently this “rule” wasn’t the primary buying consideration.
You took what I said out of context, making it seem like I’m telling others what to do. What I said (emphasis added) was “Oh, I appreciate fast interfaces and other rapid operation. I just don’t concentrate on speed to the exclusion of other considerations.” Anyone should feel free to make speed their purchase criterion if that’s their choice.
Whether “normal for a 2011 commercial product” or not, the MOX and XF are what they are. The next “flagship” model may well be faster or have more desirable features, but the current models didn’t get slower or lose features after they were purchased.
I suspect that by now my feelings don’t need further expression. The OP needs to determine what things are most critical. |