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Posted on: December 01, 2011 @ 09:53 AM
anacardium
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hi!!!!
i am new here so i would like to ask for your advice as well as your patience.
i have been using motif es for a little time now and i am facing some troubles
first of all when trying to create a pattern chain in real time i notice that sometimes there is an interruption in sound when changing from one section to another . it sounds as if the synth is late in dealing with the change if you know what i mean.
secondly i made a project in the song mode which included some chorus voice bettween others and discovered that this voice in connection with some string background creates a problem in the drums especially when changing from one chord to another. more specifically there is a slight delay before a certain drum sounds where it has to. like there is not enough room or playback becomes somewhat heavy and moving with some difficulty. could that be that i exceeded maximum polyphony? but how can that be possible! i am using a very small number of voices.if i erase that track that includes that certain chorus voice the problem is non existent. or if i press less notes on the strings the problem becomes less prominent but does not disappear.
thats for now
i will be waiting anxiously for an answer and i would like to thank you in advance.
cheers

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Posted on: December 01, 2011 @ 10:11 AM
meatballfulton
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-- The sound interruption between sections is because you are using different voices in the two sections on the same track. The ES has to both select the new voice (including switching in insert effects) and play a note on the downbeat...it can’t do both fast enough so the note gets lost or delayed.

If you really need a different voice on the same track in adjacent sections, then do not try to play the new voice on the downbeat of the first bar. A much better way to work in pattern mode is to give each voice it’s own track.

-- As far as the delayed drums, you should always use track 10 for drums as this track is given higher priority in timing when a sequence is very busy. 

If you are having timing issues make sure you are not generating unneeded controller data (like aftertouch) into your sequences. Overuse of the sustain pedal can cause voices to be used up prematurely.

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Posted on: December 01, 2011 @ 10:37 AM
anacardium
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thank you very much for your reply
im sorry about the double post but i just could not delete the one since as i said i am new to the forum
concerning the pattern chain i am familiar with the “a single voice to a single track” since i had that problem and i am now very careful attaching only a single voice to each track. however the problem
continues and is distinguishable to the above concerning voice changing on a single track. the interruption happens mostly when making a mistake in realtime recording of the chain and trying to fix it afterwards. it also insisted even when using the pattern chain edit!!!!!!i.e. not in real time chaining which is even more bizzare
as for the second issue i will follow your advice and will be back.
thank you very much for your response

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Posted on: December 01, 2011 @ 05:19 PM
anacardium
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well i erased all sustain. transferred the drums to track 10.and there are no unneeded controller data like aftertouch but problem still there. the only case where the problem disappeares is when i erase track 6 i.e. the chorus voice, dark aaahh. what could be happening?any other suggestions?

also what about the pattern chain problem? i always use one voice per track. could anything else be wrong?
thnx

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Posted on: December 01, 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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For the pattern chaining, make sure there is not a program change message at the top of the pattern sections.

Not sure what to tell you about your other problem without being able to pore through your event list…

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Posted on: December 02, 2011 @ 05:59 AM
Bad_Mister
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Call up your PATTERN
Press [CHAIN]
press [EDIT] to view the PATTERN CHAIN listing
What Time Signatures are listed for the MEASURES in that column?
- make sure each Measure is the correct Time Signature. You do not mention it but for example, if your PATTERN is in 4/4 time, make sure all of the measures correctly indicate “4/4”

We think that you may have inadvertently recorded TIME SIGNATURE CHANGES into your Chain… this is how you can check: by viewing your EVENT LIST.

Use the Transport Control’s [>>] FAST FORWARD button to move through the measure numbers.

Let us know.

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Posted on: December 16, 2011 @ 07:40 AM
anacardium
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thnx i will check it out when this problem occurs again. for the moment i cannot check since i cannot create that problem advertently. how about the other problem i mentioned above. this one is the most important for me and the one i cannot think of any possible reason to be happening. i mean, could the use of a certain voice affect the result on another voice like that. how can maximum polyphony be a problem since my orchestration is really small? and why every time i solo the drum voice the problem does not exist but appears when all tracks are on? what could i do to find out what might be going wrong?
any suggestions please?
i am desperate

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Posted on: December 19, 2011 @ 10:35 AM
anacardium
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i made a project in the song mode which included some chorus voice bettween others and discovered that this voice in connection with some string background creates a problem in the drums especially when changing from one chord to another. more specifically there is a slight delay before a certain drum sounds where it has to. like there is not enough room or playback becomes somewhat heavy and moving with some difficulty. could that be that i exceeded maximum polyphony? but how can that be possible! i am using a very small number of voices.if i erase that track that includes that certain chorus voice the problem is non existent. or if i press less notes on the strings the problem becomes less prominent but does not disappear.
thats for now
i will be waiting anxiously for an answer and i would like to thank you in advance.
cheers

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