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5pinDIN
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Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
Okay, I see the point - although “what’s in a name”? It will be interesting to see to what degree the next Yamaha synth is revolutionary (versus evolutionary and/or copying the competition). |
videorov
Total Posts: 31
Joined 12-13-2010 status: Regular |
Yea Im waiting for a new Motif XF8 or a new Roland G8.
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DanielsMotifXF8
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Joined 07-07-2012 status: Newcomer |
I am new to the Motif XF but had a Motif XS 6 once a few years back. I love the MOTIF line and I am crazy about the XF8 i now own. But personally its a choice for you. Yamaha could do a little better on the Hammond Sounds and the Pianos. The Kronos Organ is ripping with the Leslie effects. It’s almost perfect. And there were some piano sounds that blew me away on the Kronos but I still went with the Yamaha Motif XF8. I had a friend years ago tell me that every keyboard will have a few or more sounds that yours does not and he had 8 Different Keyboards in his studio. Personally I wish Yamaha would Bring Better HAMMOND SOUNDS and LESLIE effects to the Motif line. I had heard once that ROLAND is the only company who has the actual Hammond B3 sounds recorded .......was the person right or wrong who told me this? Correct me if I am wrong. But this Motif XF Organs do not sound anything like my HAMMOND B3. I am ordering a Package of Samples from a friend that he took directly off the HAMMOND B3 and recorded each draw bar x’s 8 to get the full use of the Hammond organ on a workstation. Personally I wish Yamaha would Bring the TRUE REAL sounds of the Hammond B3 to the MOTIF. Not sure why they have not done so yet. That was the only point where I was disappointed in the Motif. But you have to go in and sit down play for hours like others have said and really go with what you feel you need and then you will have to GIVE & TAKE because No one keyboard has it all. It was the 2 GB of Ram Flash that SOLD ME and the FIREWIRE and ethernet and the fact that MOTIF is easy to navigate for me personally, the KRONOS sounded FABULOUS but I was lost trying to figure it out. It takes a lot of time to learn a new keyboard for anyone. You may end up getting 2 keyboards. I know this, I may purchase the KRONOS just for those RIPPING B3 sounds and those pianos that i heard. Good luck and take your time and take a list with you and ask someone to help you where ever you go ask lots of questions. It comes down to Personal Choice of Sounds and what you feel you need a WORKSTATION to do for you. |
MarPabl
Total Posts: 560
Joined 09-08-2011 status: Guru |
Considering Motif XF has AWM2 which is a “rompler”, the capability you get for B3 sounds its impressive. I think that for this kind of sounds, you’re supposed to build a new VOICE. There are many many WAVEFORMS for individual drawbars and with many variations. Check them out, you may be really positively surprised. Having 8 simultaneous ELEMENTS, you can build a VOICE using the 8 sliders for controlling the “registrations” for up to 8 drawbars (you just miss one). Even there’s a VOICE which is programmed this way. Search it, check how it’s programmed, and begin having fun by changing WAVEFORMS and effects. |
cmayhle
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Joined 10-05-2011 status: Guru |
I think MarPabl is correct, there are some really good B3 samples in the XF, the key is to bring out the best of their capabilities. The two libraries that come to mind for me are Organimation from KSounds, and B’s Knees. Both use only native samples. While I don’t have personal experience with B’s Knees, I have read lots of good reviews from happy users. I own Organimation and love the B3/Leslie sounds I can get with it. I think the key to getting really terrific organ sounds from the XF is to learn/experiment with the native waveforms and amazing programming tools onboard, or pick up some VOICE libraries from someone that has done it for you...or BOTH! |
richardulunque
Total Posts: 25
Joined 06-01-2011 status: Regular |
single most used keyboard in the world is the Motif XF, XS even coming to market the KRONOS Just like that. |
Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
There’s been some mention of KARMA in this thread, so here it is: |
musicsound
Total Posts: 11
Joined 04-08-2003 status: Regular |
and when will we see the REAL Kronos competitor (the Motif XF successor) from Yamaha - and how will t look like ? Already any runours ? |
benoit
Total Posts: 173
Joined 08-19-2009 status: Pro |
No rumours. It seems to me that yamaha won´t bring something really new in the near future. They just released a MX entry level synth. |
musicsound
Total Posts: 11
Joined 04-08-2003 status: Regular |
disappointing ! Nowadays even the Steinberg VST´s are more innovative. |
5pinDIN
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Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
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kozlikha
Total Posts: 17
Joined 04-24-2008 status: Regular |
IMO this debate which is better is total nonsense as each of us use these “workstations” in different ways. They are both brilliant, both companies have a competitive edge hence they are still on the market making great products. Secondly, what I, and I am certain lots of other musicians would LOVE to see is third party VI implementation in these workstations. There is no one perfect machine, so by letting us use our software synths within these hardware units will let us be more creative on the fly. Personally, I don’t want to take my computer with me to gigs just to perform on THAT specific patch which is VSTi, I want to take my keyboard and that’s it, well maybe a keyboard stand as well :) |
Machina
Total Posts: 63
Joined 09-13-2009 status: Experienced |
I would argue though that as good as the Motif soundset is, even to this day - I’m still thoroughly impressed by some of those acoustic sounds like the Flash-installed oboes and soprano saxes - it IS essentially from 2007. And Yamaha as been resting on its laurels for quite some time, only to resurface to launch another lite-Motif - a major disappointment. Both have their pros and cons. Kronos has a ton of sonic power and multiple engines, the SSD offers vast potential for user sampling; yet the sequencer AND the overall user experience (miniscule fonts, very complicated GUI) and build quality is horrible, not all of the sounds are great. The Motif is built very sturdily; I believe Pattern Mode is one of the best composing tools in a hardware instrument (PLUS you get Song Mode if you aren’t happy with that!); DAW integration is very good (ok, it could use a little more plug-in control...or any); most of the sounds are still great, but there are many weaknesses; the Flash is a good concept but very slow in operation (installing, deleting), and doesn’t stand a chance against hard drives. The fact of the matter is, the only ones who enjoy making these kinds of comparisons ("which is better") are semi-pros or amateurs who can’t afford both. Professional studios buy all three and then some, the XF, a Kronos X, a Jupiter-80.
Not going to happen. They as companies would dig their own hole with it. The only reason hardware workstations are being manufactured, and what gives them indeed the competitive edge, is the fact that apart from user samples, they’re “closed” systems. And this means that by purchasing a particular brand and model, you get “their sounds” and their sound engines - something the other brand and model also has, but in a different way. Also, they’re already competing with plug-ins and the software world. Plus, it would bring on a whole world of pain with compatibility issues.
Just wanted to comment on this old comment - the preset organs in XS/XF aren’t anything special, but the aforementioned Organimation package is truly wonderful. I was just playing with it the other day again, and was again impressed by it. It’s not that great for jazz, but for gospel, soul and rock - fab. And ironically, I weren’t that blown away by the Kronos organs (which are modeled, I think)! |