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Clinker
Total Posts: 5
Joined 08-12-2011 status: Newcomer |
I guess I just have some basic questions. I just bought this rack and am just not sure how to get my midi controller to werk with it. First off do I need to run audio? I have my 003 digidesign rack as my audio interface for my monitors. I did run the output l and r to the alt contol room l and r on the interface but still no sound. Now do I need to run the usb from the motif rack to the comp, (mac pro)? Or is it fine to just have the midi out of the maschine go to the midi in on the motif rack? Im just pretty confused as to how to assign different sounds to different midi channels. And generally just pretty confused to tell u guys the truth. I mean I see the midi blinking on channel one when I hit the first pad on the maschine but I can’t hear anything. Help please!!!!!!! clinker |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
The audio Outputs of your Motif-Rack XS need to be connected to the audio inputs of your audio interface. We don’t know anything about your particular interface but in general, you want to connect your Motif-Rack XS to your computer using USB.
Set the MIDI IN/OUT = USB in the Rack XS
Connect your controller to your computer however it connects, and use your DAW to route MIDI INs to MIDI OUTs as you require. The computer program (DAW) is where you will route controller signals to tone generators. |
Clinker
Total Posts: 5
Joined 08-12-2011 status: Newcomer |
First off thank you for answering my question. I actually remember u from when I had questions with my motif classic I used to work on. So thank you for your help. With that being said here we go. LOL. Ok so I have installed the latest version of the usb-midi driver along with the SM2 Yamaha studio mgr. Both for Mac os x. My Akai MPK 61 is connected via USB as well is the Maschine from NI. I was told I did not need a midi cable with this setup so I am not using one. I also ran the usb from the rack xs to my comp as well. I have set the midi setting inside the rack xs to “usb” as u have told me to. I have the 003 rack from digi design. You have told me to go output l and r from the rack xs to the inputs on my interface. Well I have mic/di inputs 1/4 cable or xlr. Or I have alt mon and aux in. The main monitor l and r are being used for my current monitors which both Logic Studio and Pro Tools both use. So my question is where do I input at? If I input in either aux in or alt mon the rest of the tracks that are not being used by the motif rack all will not be heard when the alt mon or the aux in is engaged. Should I run it into the DI inputs? Just doesn’t seem right to me but I might be wrong. I hope so because I still can’t get any sound to come from the xs rack. As far as midi settings go I have been trying to get things to werk on midi channel 1. I am using the software within Logic for Maschine to make these settings. For example when I open Maschine I go to the arragement window and choose src which allows me to choose what pad number one will have on it. I scroll down to “midi out” and choose channel 1. And then pad number 1 lights up on the maschine. But still no sound. One other thing to tell u so u have all the info here is that inside Yamaha Studio Mgr there is midi options. In the xs manual the configuration says to enable the “midi thru” setting. Which I have done. Also there is input and output port choices for all my equipment. Why would I need to enable any in’s or out’s when I have no midd cable connected? Obviously I am still a little confused with this. What am I doing wrong here Bad_Mister. Clinker |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
I can help you with your Yamaha Motif-Rack XS, for questions on how to operate (and connect gear to) your Digidesign 003, you should contact Avid (they purchased Digidesign). In general, an audio interface is supposed to take various inputs from the analog world and route that signal to the computer, and it also takes input from the computer and routes it to your speakers. the INPUTS for a device like the Motif-Rack XS should be fairly obvious, though. For help with operating Logic you may want to post here on Motifator in the LOGIC forum heading - as we have several adept Logic users here - and for help working your Maschine you can contact Native Instruments… I can only give you generic help - because I don’t know any of these product. You should be able to route the MIDI INPUT of your controller to any of the connected devices by routing the LOGIC track as you require. |
Clinker
Total Posts: 5
Joined 08-12-2011 status: Newcomer |
Ok well lets keep this simple then. Im going to have to go at this a lil at a time because I still can’t get anything out of this rack. Its driving me crazy. So lets talk motif only stuff. As far as the midi options within the rack do I need to mess with anything except switching it to usb instead of midi? How bout the Studio Manager. Do I need to enable the “midi thru” box to make this all work? I have tried setting the input and output ports within this manager as well and still nothing. Now I have the audio taken care of cuz I have the rack hooked directly to the monitors and when I hit the “audition” button on the rack I can hear it out the monitors. Basically I am just trying to make sure all my midi within the yamaha world is good so I can move on to the Maschine and Logic. I am going to post on the Logic section on this forum next. I have to get this thing werking. Thanks Clinker |
motif8mine
Total Posts: 1743
Joined 10-22-2004 status: Guru |
Please review the following: Let’s start with OS X’s Core Audio… 1) Logic Pro 9 will recognize any device setup in OS X’s Audio Midi Setup. When properly installed, the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver should be auto-configured by Audio Midi Setup; and, it will appear there. It will be grayed out unless the Motif XS Rack is physically connected and set to operate via USB. 2) Open Logic 9 and create an external midi track the XS Rack should appear in the Media / Library as an option… Not certain how the names will appear but, Port #1 is to record MIDI from and trigger the XS Rack. Port#3 will control any keyboard or tone generator connected to the XS Rack’s MIDI Out. So, to trigger the XS Rack, create External MIDI Tracks and from the Library choose XS Rack’s Port#1 and the MIDI channel that corresponds to the XS Rack’s instrument you want to control. Repeat as necessary…
3) To record audio within Logic, the L/R Output of the XS Rack should be connected to your Audio Interface A/B Inputs or utilize the S/PDIF… Also, from Logic’s Toolbar, go Preferences> Audio and make sure the Audio Interface is selected as your Input / Output Device…
Review the following link. However, disregard the info on Cubase and start where it advises to lanuch Studio Manager 2.3.1.
This will not however enable you to record audio from the XS Rack. See answer above… peace… |
Clinker
Total Posts: 5
Joined 08-12-2011 status: Newcomer |
Damn u r the man....i was making instrument tracks in logic. Well I now have sound and have successfully recorded audio into Logic. Now I have a couple extra questions. So I wrote a horn on the first track from xs port 1 on midi channel 1. I made another midi track and tried to use midi channel 2 but the only way I could get sound out at this point is to use the same midi channel 1. Then when I try to change the sound of the second track it just changes the sound that I wrote on track one. How do I get the second, third, etc midi channels to werk without changing the sounds of the original tracks already wrote? Also in the modify workspace section of the studio manager it is blank and there is not a box that says “add device”. The info u sent me about the studio manager said that it is because I have the editor in a seperate program. I just don’t see it in my applications folder so I will go and try and download it again. I just swore I already did that but who knows. Thanks for your help. Clinker |
motif8mine
Total Posts: 1743
Joined 10-22-2004 status: Guru |
If the terminology is the same as in the XS you should be in Song Mixing mode or at least Pattern mode, (I assume that the Rack has it. I believe in my of ES Rack they were called Multi’s. Anyway, it sounds to me as if you are in voice mode… Regarding the Studio Manager, you should have downloaded both the Studio Manager and the XS Rack Editor… |
Clinker
Total Posts: 5
Joined 08-12-2011 status: Newcomer |
Koo u definatly steered me in the right direction and for that I thank you. I have been messing around in Multi mode for about 2 hours now and have figured it out. At first the arp function was messing me up but now I know what the little p1,p2, etc. is on the multi screen. I knew there had to be a way to switch between the midi channels. And the edit function in multi mode is where u find this. Plus a little button called “arrow right”. Not literally but that is what the icon reads above the button. One last thing that is bugging me big time is the fact that I have now installed the motif xs rack vst editor and it is no where to be found. It does not show up in the studio manager and it is not in the folder “yamaha” in my applications. I would like to be able to use this for sure. Any thoughts as to why I am not seeing this? Thanks again for your help. It is time to write music!!!!! clinker |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
You are correct. The Motif-Rack XS Edtior VST will not show up in Studio Manager. It is the editor version that runs as a VST (virtual studio technology) Instrument (in the common speech, it runs in a similar fashion to how MIDI and audio is routed when using a so-called “SOFT SYNTH” VSTi routing means the MIDI data is recorded to a DAW track, and is output directly to the VSTi (soft-synth), the audio generated by the synth is then routed to a DAW audio lane where it is monitored. This allows soft synths to be processed in th computer with VST based effects. The Motif-Rack XS EDITOR VST, allows you to setup routing in a similar fashion even though the Motif-Rack XS is hardware and is external to the computer. MIDI tracks in Cubase will be routed to the Motif-Rack XS EDITOR VST (which is setup in bi-directional and simultaneous communication with the hardware) the Editor VST then returns the audio to Cubase in the same way that the soft synth would… thus you can use the Rack XS in the same routing scenario as any soft synth To use the VST Editor you must go to DEVICES > VST INSTRUMENTS > select EXTERNAL > “Motif Rack XS VST” That explained, If you want the editor that works with STUDIO MANAGER please read carefully the download page and download the one that is labeled: “Motif Rack XS EDITOR version 1.3.0” - December 29, 2009 Not “Motif Rack XS EDITOR VST” (they are different - as you have discovered). |
motif8mine
Total Posts: 1743
Joined 10-22-2004 status: Guru |
Also, please remember that the VST Editor is just that: a VST protocol, which Logic does not support. As Bad_Mister related, you should be using the regular XS Rack Editor and, it runs alongside Logic viathe Sutdio Manager and not within it… |