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Viewing topic "how to repair/prevent blanc space in user arp??"

     
Posted on: August 11, 2011 @ 05:46 AM
Michiel D
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Hi there,

Recently I bought some twiddly bits midi patterns, really nice stuff! Then I tried to put a track to ‘user arp’. Everything works just fine (with some help on creating user arps from this forum). But ... when I use the created arp with a voice (in voice mode), the arp ends with 2 counts (bpm’s) blanc space, before starting to play the arp pattern again (with the arp in ‘hold’ mode).

The strange thing is that the original track contains of 2 measures with not a second of silence in it - I put measure 1 to 3 to the user arp.
When playing the original track/arp in pattern mode, there’s no silence between the first and the second time the arp pattern is played (ungoing ‘walking bass’ rif).

So my question is: did I do anything wrong in creating the user arp (that could cause a 2 beats ‘silence’ at the end of the arp) and/or is there a way to ‘fix’ the created user arp (cut of the silence part...).? (I assume the last thing is’nt possible, because all the notes of the orinal arp/pattern are played, so it’s not logical that that is possible in 6 bpm in stead of 8...)

Any help/ advise would be appreciated!
Thanks in advance,

Michiel

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Posted on: August 11, 2011 @ 04:34 PM
Bad_Mister
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If your arpeggio has extra beats (empty beats) in it - it is most likely due to an incorrect setting when making the arpeggio. Either in the data itself or in the transfer from Track to Arpeggio.

It is clear you are mixing up “bpm” with “Time Signature”
bpm = beats per minute, which is the tempo
Time Signature is the number of beats per measure and what is considered 1 beat.

Check the original data. The Time Signature (4/4, perhaps). Then make sure the PUT TRACK TO ARP job is set properly to include the data that you wish to use to create the arpeggio.

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Posted on: August 12, 2011 @ 03:41 AM
Michiel D
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B-M, thanks for your reply. The thing with bpm/ beats per measure is not really an issue, it’s my english (way of naming things correctly). The original pattern (from the midi file) contains 4 measures. Only the first 2 measures are filled with bass notes, de last 2 measures are ‘empty’. I am trying to cut out the empty space by putting to user arp only the first 2 measures. But there are still 2 empty beats in the user arp pattern that I can’t get rid of .. (i.e. beat 3 and 4 of the 2nd measure).

First I tried to solve the problem by shortening the length of the pattern from 4 to 2 bars. But what happens than is that the 2 bar pattern is played once (with the bass pattern), than repeated - without the bass pattern (so every time the bass pattern is played, there still are two empty measures, with only the drum pattern playing).

I’m starting to think the problem is in the midi files itself (tw bits), another thing is that there are voices that I can’t get changed, not even when the phrase head voice is set to another voice (there are some patterns that contain a piano or EP track, changing this voice is changed back automaticly while playing the pattern; you see the change of the voice happen in mix mode, in phrase header the voice does not change and still contains the voice that I wanted the track to play...)

Thanks again if it’s possible to help me out here!
Kind regards, Michiel

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Posted on: August 12, 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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I still say the problem sounds like it is Time Signature.

You are saying beat 3 and 4 of the second measure… is empty

When you are PUTTING TRACK TO ARP the Arpeggios can only be whole measures. You cannot set it to 1 and one-half measure, which is what you want. You have to change the time signature when creating the data.

SQUARE PEG > round hole

You want your finished arpeggio to be 6 beats total (that’s one and one-half measures of 4/4)
Or
it is three measures of 2/4
Or
it is one measure of 6/4

But since it does not divide correctly when 4/4 is time signature; you wind up with 1 measure and half of the next plus empty space.

Sorry, I don’t remember the ES well enough, and how it dealt with arpeggios of time signatures other than 4/4 but… hope the above is helpful.

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Posted on: August 19, 2011 @ 04:47 AM
Michiel D
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Bad Mister, thanks for your assitence on this one (with your help I solved the problem of shortening a pattern by putting it to song first, than back to pattern mode, works fine!).

In this case, it seems more difficult to really solve the problem. In the orginal arp, there is a pattern of 2 measures, 4 counts eacht (time signature 4/4). When I ‘put to arp’ this pattern, I hoped for a user pattern of two measures with no empty beats in it. But something goes wrong ... I end up with a user arp of 1,5 measures, that is 6 beats, than 2 beats of silence, until the arp pattern starts again.

Could there be some kind of ‘protection’ in the original midi file (twiddly bits guitar rifs, should be ‘royalty free’ though ...)?
I’ll check out again the time signature again, maybe also try put to arp as ‘fix’ arp type and see what happens… Keep u posted!

Michiel

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