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VikasSharma
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I tried getting an answer to this by searching on this forum but couldn’t find it. How can I recall the Volume Levels of individual PARTs of a SONG MIX in the MASTER mode? I’ve gone through the following threads and the articles referred therein already but maybe I’m not getting it.
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/445517/
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
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Bad_Mister
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The question is not clear. When you recall a SONG the Volume levels for each PART are recalled by the SONG MIX. There are 16 PARTS. A MASTER Mode program can address one or more the PARTS but only as many as 8. There are only 8 Zones. What do you want to do? |
VikasSharma
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How can I recall the Volume Levels of individual PARTs of a SONG MIX in the MASTER mode? I’m using a 5 Zone Setup. I’m addressing 5 different PARTs of my Song Mix from my keyboard in a Master setup. But I’m not getting the Volume Levels that I had set in the Song Mixing mode when I’m addressing this Song Mix from Master mode. I’m getting the Volume Levels as per the current positions of the faders. Hope I’m clear this time. |
VikasSharma
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Okay, just to be sure, I loaded a previous ALL file and Song Mix Volume Levels are still not getting recalled. The Volume Level is getting set to the max level I guess. All my PARTs are sounding at the same level. Also, the moment I touch the corresponding fader the volume jumps to that level. So, is there any way I can avoid this sudden change in volume? In Performance Mode, it’s working fine. |
Bad_Mister
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SONG MIX levels will always be recalled when you recall a SONG. If you additionally have the MASTER set to SEND a different VOLUME or PAN setting you will see the SONG volume level recalled and immediately afterward the MASTER will send its message and change the VOLUME.
It is not clear how you have the current MASTER mode parameters set but these are the ones that will make a difference:
If the ZONE SWITCH is ON, then settings as made in the 8 ZONES will apply.
If your wish is to have the ZONE SWITCH active and to not have it “jump” when you activate the Control Sllider, then you want to set the KNOB CONTROL ASSIGN to one of the options other than “ZONE”. All of the other options are going to allow the knobs and sliders to behave exactly as they do in the associated Mode (in this case, as they do in SONG mode). Because if you select “ZONE” then the CONTROL SLIDERS will take control over the cc007 message being sent to the PART as determined by ZONE’s MIDI channel. This can cause the VOLUME to be in one place (as set by the pre-set value) and the physical Slider to be at a different positionsuch that as soon as you touch it - the slider being “live”, the volume will JUMP to that value of the CS. If you wish NOT to have this JUMP-type actiion, you can opt to set the ZONE SWITCH ON, but leave the control over the KNOBS and CONTROL SLIDERS as they function in SONG mode. The behavior now will be such that - you can still pre-set the VOLUME level for the PART but the Control Sliders will now behave as they do in SONG mode - that is, you will need to move the slider to the red arrow (which indicates the STORED value) at which point the CS “hooks” that value and becomes “live”. This avoids the JUMP reaction that you are getting. Hope that helps. |
VikasSharma
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Thank you so much Bad_Mister! I had the KNOB CONTROL ASSIGN set to ZONE and that’s why the Volume Levels of all the Song Mix PARTs assigned to this particular Master were sounding at the same level. Now I understand that this level was being set from the Master-Edit screen. I’ve re-read all the above referred threads and I now understand your replies in those threads in a much better way. The answer to my query was already hidden there. Just that I couldn’t correlate things correctly. One more question: What do the Track Select buttons do in the Master Mode when I’ve set the Knob Control Assign parameter to Zone? In Master-Play mode, when I press TRACK followed by any of the 16 Track buttons, the corresponding LED glows but nothing seems to change. In the Master-Edit screen, pressing the Track button takes you to that particular Zone settings. But in the Master-Play mode, I really don’t get what they’re doing.
Thanks & regards,
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Bad_Mister
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The numbered TRACK buttons when the [TRACK] button is lit will select the the TRANSMIT CHANNEL of the XF keyboard. In other words the MIDI channel that your keyboard is sending out via MIDI. This will be true in all modes and at all times except when a ZONED MASTER program is selected. The keyboard of the XF normally transmits on a single MIDI channel except when you activate the MASTER Modes ZONE setup… at that time it is able to transmit on multiple MIDI channels simultaneously (as many as 8 channels at a time). When MASTER mode is selected and the ZONE SWITCH = ON, this overrides the normal Transmit Channel, and the keyboard transmits on ZONES as setup in the MASTER program itself. When the [TRACK] Button is lit and the KNOB CONTROL ASSIGN is set to control the internal program (not set to ZONE), then the numbered TRACK buttons can be used to select the Track to which the KNOBS will apply. So that if you select TRACK 10 and move the CUTOFF Knob you will editing the FILTER of the VOICE assigned to Track 10’s MIDI channel. However, if the [TRACK] button is lit and the KNOB CONTROL ASSIGN is set to “ZONE”, then the numbered TRACK buttons have no affect… as outlined above - they are used to select transmit channels except when ZONE is active. There are 16 Track buttons but 8 ZONES. The Transmit Channels available from the keyboard are determined by the ZONES that are setup. (We’d like to see the numbered buttons 1-8, become ZONE ON/OFF Switches in this particular situation - it is under study by engineering) However, the [MUTE] and [SOLO] buttons can still be used to ‘work’ the playback of the associated SONG Tracks. |
VikasSharma
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Thanks so much Bad_Mister, for a detailed explanation. Your help & support is greatly appreciated. |
VikasSharma
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I was quite hopeful that this ZONE On/Off Switch feature would make it to the latest 1.30 update as it had been mentioned several times by Bad_Mister including the following comment in a recent thread:
and in another thread:
Next time, maybe. |
VikasSharma
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Apparently, even in OS version 1.40, the numbered buttons still have no use in Master mode when TRACK button is lit and Knob Control Assign is set to ZONE. However, the Zone Mute functionality has been implemented using the Performance Control button. You can independently mute zones for internal and external MIDI transmission which, I think, is very cool and useful. |