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Ruke
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Joined 07-22-2003 status: Enthusiast |
If you adjust the four parts to your liking through the performance control feature can you save the mix? |
anotherscott
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They wouldn’t have even had to add the LED. I’d be fine with a 4th row that had no LED… i.e. it is the default when no LED is selected. This would add zero to manufacturing cost… and perhaps could even be implemented in a software upgrade, if Yamaha ever does something like that. So the “Knob Function 1” button would have 4 states instead of 3: the existing ones which display LEDs when active ("Tone 1” “Tone 2” and “Tone 3") and a fourth state it would rotate through (when a Performance is selected) which would leave no LED lit, and in that mode, the 4 knobs would be Volume for Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4. There’s even room above that button and those knobs to easily add “Performance Volumes: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4” “or Performance Parts: Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3, Volume 4” or whatever text to describe the function. If Yamaha could implement this in software and existing models could be software upgraded, we could print labels to attach, and future manufacturing runs could have the additional function names silkscreened on. Alas, this is probably just dreaming… but it does seem like quite the amazing oversight in functionality, that looks like it could have been addressed very easily. |
nightowlgk2
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I agree. No led needed as it would be the default. |
dfahrner
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Joined 03-10-2009 status: Experienced |
From the S90 forums (http://www.sninety.com), here’s my solution to the “knobs and sliders” problem that would work equally well with the MOX: df Image Attachments
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phloid
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This looks like a very good idea. I am interested in some clarification. Please forgive me if my questions seem redundant or dunce (haha).
Does the A-300 use the SX keyboard voices?
From your link:
Does the MOX? |
dfahrner
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Yes - the A300 is just a MIDI controller with no sounds of its own, so I set up “multis” on the S70SX with voices played on a different MIDI channel from the S70XS keyboard (they are played from the A300 keyboard). Since the S70XS doesn’t have a sequencer, the “multi” is sort of like the MOX/Motif XS Mixing function, a multitimbral setup with different voices on each MIDI channel.
Yes, through SysEx commands, the sliders and knobs control various parameters of different S70XS voices, both the voices played on the S70XS keyboard and those played from the A300: volume, octave, program select, modulation, etc. What do you want each slider/knob/switch/pad to control?...just program each one to do the function you want…
I have it set up like a separate instrument, playing a completely different voice...I suppose you could think of it as an “extension”, a different part of the keyboard that you can do keyboard splits with…
The MOX SysEx implementation is essentially the same as the S70/S90XS and Motif XS.
df |
phloid
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When you run the A-300 as a separate instrument do you mean that it is set up to have its own assigned duties while the resources of the S70XS are shared between the two? It would be nice if somehow the A-300 had all of the resources of another S70XS when running like this but that probably is not the case is it? It makes a big difference if the keyboard with the brains has plenty to share with the brainless keyboard. The MOX has less to share than a S70XS (a limit of 4 layers used for arp, drums, keyboards, other effects) but this still looks like it would be helpful and enhance the playing experience. Even though you run it like a separate instrument it is probably more like having a break-away set of keys and controllers on a main keyboard? |
dfahrner
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That’s right - I use the A300 mostly for leads and the S70XS for chords and pads, and they share the S70XS voices, effects, etc.
The voices played from the A300 have the same resources as those played from the S70XS, but they are shared with the S70XS voices.
Again, I use the S70XS multis, which have 16 channels available...typically I use separate channels for piano, bass, drums, string or organ pad, lead played from the A300, and other external MIDI controllers (mallet and wind)...a MOX song, which has up to 16 parts, can be the equivalent of a multi...the main limitation I see with the MOX is that only three parts can use insertion effects (the S70XS can use insertion efects on eight parts).
I guess that’s an accurate way of putting it… df |
anotherscott
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If you don’t want something that big and don’t want the extra board (especially if you’re already gigging with two), I imagine you could do the same thing with a Novation Zero SL or M-Audio Evolution uC-33e. And Yamaha has now released that “Faders and XY Pad†app for the iPad. So there are seemingly a few ways to address this. Still it seems unfortunate that you have to jump through hoops to get a simple functionality that would have been so obviously desirable and probably not very difficult to have built in. |
nightowlgk2
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Joined 06-22-2011 status: Regular |
thread hijacked suggesting external controllers......
Having just gotten my MOX8, and testing briefly, there is some sort of default memory of the active knob controller when recalling a perf. When I save the perf. just after using perf. control button and selecting part 2 and touching the upper left button to put the led on volume knob ( affecting part 2). It seems to comeback with that knob assigned to part 2 most of the time.Can anyone confirm this? |
Bad_Mister
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The row of KNOB FUNCTIONS and the PART that is “selected” to control are stored when you [STORE] the PERFORMANCE.
Here is how it works: The [PERFORMANCE CONTROL] function on the right front panel turns the 16 numbered buttons into four groups of four buttons for PARTs 1-4:
If you press the KNOB FUNCTION buttons in the upper left front panel so that “TONE 1” is selected (LED is lit) in upper row, and “EFFECT” is selected in lower row and you have selected PART 2 for Performance Control when you STORE the PERFORMANCE that is what will be active when you initially recall the PERFORMANCE. The [COMMON], PART [1], [2], [3] or [4] can be set as the ‘active’ PART (that is, the PART that is ready to be affected by the knobs). If [COMMON] is lit when you [STORE] the PERFORMANCE the KNOBS will be applied to all PARTS of the PERFORMANCE (the CUTOFF knob will open/close the filters for all four of the PARTs. |
anotherscott
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Yes… up by the knobs, make sure the LED next to “Tone 3” is lit up when you save your Performance. Then Knob 1 will default to being a Volume control when you call up that Performance. Then, when playing that Performance, you can hit the “Pattern Select/Performance Control” button, and use the first 4 buttons to determine which of the 4 parts that Volume control will affect. (I’m assuming you have 4 Parts in your Performance. Of course, you could have fewer. If you have only 2 or 3 parts, then only the first 2 or 3 buttons will be relevant.) If you want the volume control to affect one part in particular when you first call up the Performance (without having to hit any other buttons), then before saving the Performance, make sure the “Pattern Select/Performance Control” is lit, and again, select one of those first 4 buttons so that it is lit up. If Part 2 is selected when you Save the Performance, then that Volume control (Knob 1) will default to controlling the volume of Part 2 in your Performance. Of course you can still then hit the “Pattern Select/Performance Control” button and hit a different button if you then want to control the volume of a different part instead. If you Save the Performance without specifying any default Part for that volume function (i.e. without leaving any of the 4 Part buttons lit up), the function will be saved as “Common” meaning that it will affect the volume of all 4 parts. Since the main volume slider already does that, that’s not a particularly useful function, so I would probably get in the habit of making it save something else… i.e. always set it to be volume for Part 1 or Part 2 or whatever, as part of your default process, so you pretty much always know that it will default to your Part-Whatever volume (though of course, if you have a special reason to have it default to some other part for a particular patch, go for it). |
nightowlgk2
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This is a good thing. Thanks for clarifying. Maybe make it a FAQ. |
anotherscott
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Yes. |
anotherscott
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Joined 06-30-2010 status: Guru |
Actually, there is a way to have the 4 knobs function as volume controls for 4 split and/or layered voices. If you set up a Master based on a Song or a Pattern, this will work. (The actual Song or Pattern itself can be “empty”.) Unfortunately, you do lose some other ability… if you want to change one of the sounds on the fly, you need to know where the sound you want is, because unlike when in Performance mode, the button assignment display for voice selection that normally comes up when you hit any of the A-through-H buttons won’t come up, nor will Category Search work, nor Favorites. It’s always something… ;-) |