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Posted on: April 14, 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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Can the 4 assignable knobs be used to control volume of the 4 voices that can be assigned in a Performance?

Can the 4 assignable knobs be used to control volume of the 4 Zones in a Master setup?

Can the Daw Level slider be used for any other function, when you’re not using USB to connect to a computer?

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Posted on: April 15, 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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There are 2 assignable Knobs: ASSIGN 1 and ASSIGN 2 within the VOICE mode architecture. Any of over 100 parameters can be selected as destinations for these two knobs.

The ASSIGNABLE A, B, C, D are a function of the DAW REMOTE mode (when using the MOX with a computer-based situation)

Each PART of a PERFORMANCE has its own VOLUME control.

In MASTER mode, when the ZONE SWITCH is set to ON (and ZoneKnob is set to ON), you can assign the 8 Knobs to any Control Change number (cc1-cc95) on the MIDI channel of a particular ZONE. The assignment of the knobs can be extremely flexible.

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Posted on: April 15, 2011 @ 06:20 AM
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Bad_Mister - 15 April 2011 05:20 AM

There are 2 assignable Knobs: ASSIGN 1 and ASSIGN 2 within the VOICE mode architecture. Any of over 100 parameters can be selected as destinations for these two knobs.

The ASSIGNABLE A, B, C, D are a function of the DAW REMOTE mode (when using the MOX with a computer-based situation)

Each PART of a PERFORMANCE has its own VOLUME control.

In MASTER mode, when the ZONE SWITCH is set to ON (and ZoneKnob is set to ON), you can assign the 8 Knobs to any Control Change number (cc1-cc95) on the MIDI channel of a particular ZONE. The assignment of the knobs can be extremely flexible.

That is all useful information, thanks, though it sounds like the specific answers to my three questions were “No.”

So instead of asking about knobs and functions, maybe it would be better if I explained the main thing I’m interested in trying to accomplish that prompted me to ask, well, two of those three questions, anyway.

In asking about the knob assignment possibilities, I was looking for something akin to the 4 sliders on the S30/S80. But if the knobs can’t operate that way, I’m wondering how to get as close as possible to that functionality, how to most simply be able to adjust volume levels of different parts in live performance.

So, let’s say I have a split where I am playing bass in the left hand and piano on the right. As I’m playing, I realize that the bass is too loud, or the piano is too low. So I keep the bass line going with my left hand, use the sustain pedal to sustain an appropriate chord on the right, and then want to use my right hand to quickly go to some control and adjust either the bass or the piano volume level. How would I accomplish this? If it does not somehow default to some arrangement that makes this easy, is there some kind of setup that would be recommended to support this kind of functionality most easily?

Or for a slightly more complicated scenario, let’s say I have 3 sounds instead of 2… we’ll keep the bass on the left, but for the right hand, will have both piano and organ, using Master mode to assign each sound to different areas of the keyboard. So maybe I start playing bass at the left of the keyboard, and piano in the middle, and then I move my hand to the top two octaves where I have an organ sound. Is there (either by default or via something I can set up) quick access to the volume controls of each of the three sounds in live performance?

Or let’s say I have those same three sounds, but instead of using Master mode to assign them to different areas of the keyboard, I do what you suggested elsewhere and use Performance mode to put bass on the left and assign Piano and Organ to the same range of keys on the right, and switch between piano and organ using the Part Mute buttons. And again, I start playing bass and piano… then I switch to organ and decide I need to make the organ louder… what is the quickest way to do it? (without changing the piano level, so it’s back where it was when I switch back)

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Posted on: April 16, 2011 @ 05:12 AM
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the smartest way is to assign your controllers to do the work for you. In actual use you would assign the volume output of the organ sound to an FC7 Foot Controller (it makes the most sense because in the real world that is how you control volume on an electronic organ… I mean, real pianos do not have volume pedals,

In a situation where you are playing a split bass with Piano and Organ in the right hand, it would make sense to assign your controllers to work for you

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Posted on: April 16, 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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Bad_Mister - 16 April 2011 05:12 AM

I mean, real pianos do [not] have volume pedals

I understand that, but clearly that’s entirely different than needing to make a piano louder or quieter in a live band situation… real pianos, mic’d up and put through a sound system, *do* have volume controls, i.e. faders on a mixer!

And of course the MOX has a volume control. The problem arises when the MOX is being used for two sounds simultaneously, i.e. split bass, and you may need to make the piano louder or quieter *without* changing the level of the bass. (Or vice versa.)

Bad_Mister - 16 April 2011 05:12 AM

the smartest way is to assign your controllers to do the work for you. In actual use you would assign the volume output of the organ sound to an FC7 Foot Controller
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In a situation where you are playing a split bass with Piano and Organ in the right hand, it would make sense to assign your controllers to work for you

Might you be able to be more specific? I understand assigning the organ volume to a pedal. But if I have a three-way split (bass, piano, organ over three sections of the keyboard), or a two-way layered split (bass on bottom, layered piano and organ on top), once I have the pedal assigned to the organ, what other controllers are available for me to assign to get the independent control of the volume of the piano or the bass?

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Posted on: April 16, 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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p.s.—I see another way to address separate level controls in live performance… you could probably set it up so that the left hand bass is panned hard left, and the other sounds are panned hard right, and then you can run the two outputs to a mixer. Then, at least for simple two-way splits, you’d always have instant level access to the left bass sound and whatever sound you were playing on the right.

It doesn’t help so much if you have multiple right hand sounds (whether split or layered), you would need assignable outs on the keyboard to be able to run a second or third right hand sound out to a separate channel of a mixer. Employing the foot controller as well could help, but also adds a bit of complication (i.e. there would be interaction between the foot controller level and the mixer fader level… lowering the mixer fader while playing piano would also lower the rest of your right hand sounds, even if some of them were separately controllable by pedal).

I wonder if there’s some way Mixing mode could be used to provide quick access to the volume levels of different split/layered Parts in live performance… could that be another way to go?

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Posted on: April 16, 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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One more thing… check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAa4tUDjDy0

it shows the MOX being controlled by an ipad. The very first screen is a bunch of faders. It is not clear as to whether that particular function is applicable to the MOX, or what it can do. I wonder if this might solve my volume levels problem, if it would give me a screen of virtual faders to use as volume controls? Not a cost-effective solution unless you happen to already own an ipad… but I do. So this could be a great help.

Does anyone know the name of the ipad program, what it’s availability will be, and whether it would perform the function I’m asking about? I checked the Yamaha web site, but nothing came up in trying to find software related to the MOX, nor did any ipad app come up when I searched under Motif XF (which uses the same iPad software according to that video, except it can work wirelessly on an XF and must be hard-wired to the MOX), and there’s nothing like this in the App store yet.

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Posted on: April 17, 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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Yet one more possibility… Could one control the volume level of different split/layered Parts using the faders of a device like a Behringer BCF2000, Novation Zero SL, M-Audio Evolution UC-33e or whatever?

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