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totallykenny
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Joined 12-16-2009 status: Regular |
I have been reading alot tonight, I need to know can I sample direct to flash memory like I would sample to my ram memory in my motifxs. I have a total 1gig for sample ram. I see Xf has 128 from factory you cannot expand, not much sample ram/time. so can I sample directly to 512/1gig/2gig of flash memory ?? every where I read just talks about the installed 128ram… thankyou |
DmitryKo
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You sample to RAM then copy the complete contents to Flash Memory as Waveforms (a collection of Key Banks):
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totallykenny
Total Posts: 39
Joined 12-16-2009 status: Regular |
so I will only have 128 megs total for sampleing not my 1gig in motifxs ? Can you sample directly to the flash memory like if I had 1gig of flash mem. or would I only have 128 meg.? thank you. |
sciuriware
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Did you ever sample more than 100Mb in one run? ;JOOP! |
DmitryKo
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Asking the same question all over again is not going to get you a different answer. 128 Mbytes are a lot of space, especially since individual sample (Key Bank) can not exceed the 32 MB limit in mono, so you can’t continuously sample more than ~380 seconds (6:20 minutes). Yes, you will be limited in that Waveforms can not exceed 128 MB. However, you will hit this limit only by using some bold design decision, that is having a single Waveform where each and every of the 88 notes are sampled for 15-20 seconds with no looping (Waveforms are collections of Key Banks, that is Samples with key, velocity and note range settings). If you look at the way Yamaha constructs their sample ROM in the Motif series, they never use such large Waveforms and always split them in several pieces to assign to different Elements, rather than have one big Waveform that encompasses all the velocity layers and key ranges. Probably makes it easier to re-use these samples for different Voices. |
totallykenny
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I did get the answer..but no need to be sarcastic,just asking for some assistance.Thanks.... |
sciuriware
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Whom? |
cyclops
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The solution is rather simple IMO.
- Start recording in sample RAM
Of course there coyuld have been more sample RAM, like 256MB or 512MB, but it’s better than having none at all. |
sciuriware
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And having 512Mb RAM would give rise to “I want 2Gb RAM”. ;JOOP! |
delirium
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Joined 11-16-2006 status: Guru |
and that what is should be in first place - not more, not less. |
DavePolich
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Joined 07-27-2002 status: Guru |
If you’re talking about recording for a long period of time (such as
This has been a misconception ever since the first Motif came out.
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Apex
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Joined 10-21-2005 status: Guru |
why in the world would someone need MORE than 6 1/2 minutes for one sample… I mean the guy said just slip them up. Sample what you need, then go load it into flash RAM. then repeat the process. it’s simple man. what sounds are you using that would use a sample that long anyway? even if you are doing audio recording… you wouldn’t need the sample to be 6 1/2 minutes. it would only be short little parts (even a verse would only last a minute or so...(if that!!!) what are you doing...? trying to record a podcast? |
delirium
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believe me, I cannot break, copy and repeat when I’m sampling my intercourse with my girlfriend. She can sounds much longer then 6 1/2 minutes...Have you ever tried to break in the middle of the…
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Bad_Mister
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Before you actually do it, it is difficult to really know how this all works. 128MB is actually twice the length of what you could possibly record anyway. It is a sampler - a sampler is a musical device. The way it differs from a hard disk recorder is that with a sampler you use common MIDI commands to initiate and control playback.
Note-On events are used to turn on the sample.
Given that a sampler is a musical device, you do not record “dead air” as a rule. You cue the audio so that the note-on event starts play and when audio stops, you stop recording. Think of how a piano sample is cued up so that when press the key the audio begins… you do not wait for it - there is no pre-roll, there is no dead air. The Integrated Sampling Sequencer’s “Sample+Note” recording type, punches in and out so that you can be efficient with spending your memory. At no point are you going to be punching in and waiting 12 measures for the vocal to start (recording what I refer to as ‘dead air’ - that would be a waste of your memory and you should figure another way to do what you are doing). You would rather set the ISS so that it punches in at measure 13 (precisely where the vocals begin) and have it punch out at the end of the audio recording. If you fail to appreciate the difference between ‘sampling’ and ‘linear’ recording, this may/will stump you. But once you get into it, you realize that for what you need to do it is ideal, and actually works quite well. |
Apex
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So in other word Delirium, you should get an extension patch cable, and connect a foot switch right next to your bed. Then right before that big moment (with you and your girlfriend).... (or maybe not so big) you can trigger the sampler to start sampling/recording or you can do it the old fashioned way and set up a camcorder somewhere. then you’ve got the audio saved forever. you can just connect the audio outs from your camcorder into the inputs on your xs, then trigger the sampler as neeeded. that way you can start and stop the sampler as needed… |
delirium
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and it’s should be - plenty of empty space under the hood of motif
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