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nHz hpuV
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Joined 09-03-2010 status: Newcomer |
Hi Guys, I was just wondering if the A/D input on the Motif XF works with mics that require phantom power. |
motif8mine
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Joined 10-22-2004 status: Guru |
If you own a phantom power supply. |
Funkster
Total Posts: 449
Joined 07-20-2008 status: Enthusiast |
I’ve been looking for a cheap dynamic headset (preferably with 1/4” outs) if anyone knows of any ($45-$120) I’m not a good enough singer to need a great mic but I’m not a loud enough singer to not need any amplification at all.. F |
paulsmi
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Joined 09-02-2010 status: Newcomer |
try to use a tc helicon voice live 2. yes i know its a little pricey, but if you want to really enjoy what you can do with your motif and sing the best you can, you will love it. I dont sell or work for tc helicon. I use it as well for live performances and its great. |
SuperM.A.N.
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Joined 09-04-2010 status: Pro |
I guess my question is, does the Motif XF provide phantom power for mic’s that require it? Being new to workstations where you can connect mic’s to, I need to know all the bells and whistles (hee hee)! I saw the reply up above “If you own a phantom power supply”, but I don’t know what that means. Does that mean, I’d have to go out and buy a separate Phantom Power Supply? I’d like to imagine the XF having it’s own Phantom Power, being that it IS a workstation, and allows for mic hook-ups. If so, I already have an mbox (mini) that has Phantom Power, would the XF read the mic from there? |
motif8mine
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Joined 10-22-2004 status: Guru |
Translation: No! You will need to obtain a phantom power supply or already own some type of device that contains it.
lol, good luck with that… :)
There is no ability, that I know of, to connect an MBox to any workstation. Workstations do not contain the capability of communicating with the MBox- they cannot load the drivers, software, etc… Since you have Pro Tools, you could record the vocal there and bring into the XF as a wave file… But then again, I have Pro Tools and an XS and have never even dreamed of recording my vocals within the keyboard… |
SuperM.A.N.
Total Posts: 106
Joined 09-04-2010 status: Pro |
Oops, sorry Motif8mine, I didn’t clarify my purpose in connecting the mic to the XF/ or even the XS. As far as lead vocals, and other vocal Harmony, I’m definitely going through an Mbox and Pro Tools to get the best vocal production. What I really wanted to be able to do was simply use the XF’s built-in Vocoder for some nice Robotic voices, and old school Roger & Zapp feel. So far, I’ve only seen Bert Smorenberg use the built-in Vocoder of both workstations, and like what I saw. Was that a direct connection that I saw in his presentation videos? If so, could it have been just a regular, low power mic (that doesn’t require Phantom?) Sorry about the confusion. Like I said, I’m a newb at this whole thing, and really looking forward to getting the XF7, which is coming out in a couple of weeks over where I’m at. And I’m doing my homework. |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
The Vocoder is not really going to benefit from a fine quality microphone. Most folks think that the Vocoder is an effect that is put on the microphone. It is not. It is an effect that is applied to a synthesizer sound, the microphone is used to modify the synthesizer sound. So a simple dynamic microphone plugged directly into the A/D INPUT of the XS/XF will suffice. Instead of the A/D Input signal being routed to the normal L/R output, you reroute it into the synthesizer VOICE architecture - the Voices dual insertion effect is used to create the Vocoder. It takes the non-pitched formants of the human voice and applies them the synth sound (which provides whatever pitch you hear). So as you play notes/chords on the keyboard the speech patterns of your voices are encoded to the synth sound. The signal from the microphone goes through a battery of filters that takes out all pitched components - you are left with what would sound like a human whispering (just the noise components). The pitch, whatever pitch there is, will come from the synthesizer. The more ‘noise’ components in the synth sound - the more intelligible the resulting vocoded sound… the human voice is encoded onto the synth sound. This is very different than applying an effect to a microphone. You are literally shaping the synth sound with your speech.
Best results are gotten with a decent dynamic microphone plugged directly to the A/D input of the keyboard. By the way the Roger Troutman/Zapp vocal thing was not a vocoder (although, again, many people mistakening call it that when they don’t know). That device was called a “Talkbox”.
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motif8mine
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Joined 10-22-2004 status: Guru |
Like here for instance… |
DmitryKo
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Joined 07-25-2002 status: Guru |
... or here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVzmIzaKXD0
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SuperM.A.N.
Total Posts: 106
Joined 09-04-2010 status: Pro |
Thanks BM and D-Ko!!!!! XF, and then a Talk-box it is! |