Could the architecture of the es take the flash rom that is for the xf? well I’m sure all things are possibly possible but if it can be done how much of a potential problem would it be?
salsa

Take where? The flash expansion boards for the Motif XF are not just another kind of DIMM module installed in place of RAM, like SIMM flash expansion for Yamaha EX5 or E-Mu E4 series were. Yamaha’s FL512M and FL1024M boards use dedicated slots which are not available in the Motif ES. So no, this is not possible.

Sorry, Sal. That would be working backwards. I think all ES owners would appreciate that,but not possible.

DmitryKo - 07 September 2010 01:47 PM

Take where? The flash expansion boards for the Motif XF are not just another kind of DIMM module installed in place of RAM, like SIMM flash expansion for Yamaha EX5 or E-Mu E4 series were. Yamaha’s FL512M and FL1024M boards use dedicated slots which are not available in the Motif ES. So no, this is not possible.

You’re missing my question/point..dedicated slots are just soldered in like everything else .no? so is the es’s engine/architecture/makeup that different that it could not read or accept flash rom if it was soldered in ?
Just thinking loud
salsa

TheDukester - 07 September 2010 02:42 PM

Sorry, Sal. That would be working backwards. I think all ES owners would appreciate that,but not possible.

why isn’t it possible? just trying to get an understanding on the hardware and software the es uses that would be so different than the xf or xs for that matter.
salsa

It is vastly different. There is a lot going on in terms of hardware and real time access. Just soldering something in does not allow it to happen. Although many do not understand how it all works, (and some think they know better than all the manufacturers)… all things are incremental. The number of additional Waveforms in the XF (over say the XS) is approximately the number of Waveforms total in the original Motif.

The number of USER Waveforms that can be held in memory for real time access is now off the chart. In addition to the 3,977 that Yamaha provides out of the box, you can load some 4096 to Flash (and in theory 128 more to SDRAM)

But backward compatibility is often very, very difficult, most time impossible (unless you have some kind of time machine or you have a Nostrdamus working in your lab. You simply cannot prepare that far inadvance for all things.

Now some things, as those of you who have been around for the Motif-series ride, can be prepared for, so you can anticipate some future feature additions as time goes forward. If we could have added XF features to XS or to ES, there would be no reason to create new hardware.

In order to do the Flash Memory Expansion Module thing, new hardware was needed… and that is why there is an XF. Flash Memory Expansion is a concept whose time has come again. We have tried several times in the past (and those that did it SY99, SY85, TG500 found it quite useful).

No harm in asking… but trust the engineers on this one, there is not enough hardware to do this in the XS, no less the older ES.

salsamac - 08 September 2010 12:08 AM

dedicated slots are just soldered in like everything else .no? so is the es’s engine/architecture/makeup that different that it could not read or accept flash rom if it was soldered in ?

Even if flash memory was supported by memory controller (and it is not), I really wish you good luck soldering any additional components on a multi-layer PCB full of VLSI chips if their installation wasn’t actually provided for at the design phase.

Bad_Mister - 08 September 2010 12:36 AM

But backward compatibility is often very, very difficult, most time impossible (unless you have some kind of time machine or you have a Nostrdamus working in your lab. You simply cannot prepare that far inadvance for all things.

Motif XF is perfectly backward compatible with the XS, as it can accept all data files and hardware options, and also partially backward compatible with ES data files.