You can go to Mosongs and hear my tunes. None of my (uploaded) tunes have a Motif on them.

2 are guitar (solo) and 1 is keys (in a band) but I was saddled with the normal keyboard players roland weighted action synth...I think it was a fantom…

At least you can hear how well I play (or not)

Direct link: http://www.youtube.com/user/JordanMusician
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(Althought lots of people like Breathe my first trip through is not good but the 2nd verse/chorus is ok.

Bertha is more rocking overall until I drop the pick at the very end resulting in an abort)

At least now I know why so many classic tunes are 2:33 long. It’s a lot easier to play without mistakes for 2:33 than 7:49

If you really want to take a glimpse of European electronic music, I suggest you to listen to 2nd_pm.s3m; you can use WinAmp or VLC media player to audition it.

This is an instrumental “tracker music” soundtrack piece made for a demoscene competition. It was released in 1993 and it uses whopping 500 KBytes of 8-bit samples, which are mostly coming from some unspecified analog synth.

So please don’t tell me how the Motif XF with its 741 MByte of sample ROM does not cut it for you. I’m pretty sure there are a loads of techno-oriented Performances in the XF which can be used as a starting point for your musical ideas.

Thanks Apex. So i entered to Funkster page and i hear some guitar karaoke and i see Fantom G ))). What a strange world

Here is a track I did w/ a Motif “classic” years and years ago (sequenced via Cubase).  We only used it as a sampler/rompler so I never ever considered it a workstation - we eventually sold it to fund a DAW and VSTs, so it’s a bit ironic I am looking to change workflows back and actually use a workstation as a workstation.

It’s nothing earth-shaking and a product of being new to song writing, but it shows the range of the original “limited” Motif. It has a lot of live tracking (electric bass, etc) going on BUT the synths/drones/drum machines are actually Motif Classic - we used the sampler a lot. The tabla hit, for example, was played/sampled live directly in to the Motif. This was done in early 2002: http://soundcloud.com/jive-talking-robot/the-18th-street-lounge

So there you have it: the “old” Motif classic via inexperienced users… but it shows if you put time in to the gear you can get it to work for you in a lot of interesting ways.

Apex - 07 September 2010 01:04 PM

But it is representative of the XS sound… it’s his interpretation, HIS SOUND.  His creation!!!!  It’s up to the world to determine if they like the sound or not. 

Yes, as I indicated in one of my previous posts, that it’s completely subjective, but the problem is that the XS/XF is capable of so much more. It’s like having a Ferrari and complaining that it does not go fast. Of course it won’t, if you don’t know how to drive it!!!

dude I can sympathize with your position but back up and look at the big picture. ALL BIG NAME COMPANIES repackage and remarket. even though the outside has changed the inside is still the same. Slow your roll and stop being upset that they didn’t come out with the next rocket to mars. It’s gonna take them another 10-15 years to completely come out with the next monster that you can afford. remember the dx7? Stop racing with the jones to have the latest killer board and get something you can work with and PLAY some music, not work some music. If you can’t find it in the xs or the xf then maybe you need to go to roland or korg or meko/neko. Don’t let anybody get you so upset that you want to lead a raid on the corporate ex. sell it and buy something else. This site is ment for users to interact and solve problems we encounter with each other not curse yamaha. I’m sorry you are so displeased but I have had nothing but pleasure realizing the things I can now do alone with my XS and a macintosh. Be well

dude I can sympathize with your position but back up and look at the big picture. ALL BIG NAME COMPANIES repackage and remarket. even though the outside has changed the inside is still the same. Slow your roll and stop being upset that they didn’t come out with the next rocket to mars. It’s gonna take them another 10-15 years to completely come out with the next monster that you can afford. remember the dx7? Stop racing with the jones to have the latest killer board and get something you can work with and PLAY some music, not work some music. If you can’t find it in the xs or the xf then maybe you need to go to roland or korg or meko/neko. Don’t let anybody get you so upset that you want to lead a raid on the corporate ex. sell it and buy something else. This site is ment for users to interact and solve problems we encounter with each other not curse yamaha. I’m sorry you are so displeased but I have had nothing but pleasure realizing the things I can now do alone with my XS and a macintosh. Be well

Finally got a chance to listen to (some of) AJMs Album.

Very Impressive! Love the synth sounds esp on track #2.

I think it has a LOT of commercial potential and should be able to get airplay on smooth jazz or new age stations.

Very very impressive.....you should give us some insight into which sounds you used and what sequencer etc…

Absolutely no comparison with what Radu put out there and way beyond my abilities as a keyboard player or composer or whatever....

Really even if you hate Yanni...you should listen to AJM’s work it’s way beyond the Yanster.

You know—I used to hear “Music for Airports” by Eno in—you guessed it—Airports. Now I hear a lot more pat metheny in airports.

I think you should get some airports to play this music—it’s very relaxing to the stressed out traveller, and it would be good music for dining as well.....restuarnts and things of that nature.

I’ve always thought that there should be (paid) internet radio for restaurants.....based on type of restaurant..dunno if anyone is doing that but this would be great for wine bars and things of that nature..Yoga halls...what have you.

What Eno was trying to do with his Ambient music concept...(music for Airports) things you can listen to without being overly distracted but if you want to listen deeper there is something to appreciate.

I imagine some of the largest cities (NY,LA,Paris,London) have New Age or ambient stations and I would really encourage you to send your CD’s to them!

Bravo!
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PS Radu—shut up and learn something!!!

As sketches rather than finished pieces, I think radurobert’s stuff is OK...not awful, not great.

Personally for that style of music I would use Ableton Live and some softsynths rather than a Motif. Which is what a lot of artists doing electronic dance music are in fact doing. 

A lot of “modern” sounds he seems to be after are the results of using plugins to process the basic sounds. Motifs have powerful effects but lack the real extreme ones available in DAWs.

radurobert, the Motif is designed to appeal to a wide variety of users, it’s not super-specialized for a particular niche of music. For what you’d like to do I agree it’s lacking in sounds off the shelf. If you find the synth banks being offered by EasySounds are too tame then you’re left with doing your own patch programming or using an instrument that focuses on the sounds you are after...like a Virus which is the best hardware synth today for electronic dance music.

I think the compositions were ok (from Radu) but the sound quality seemed like it was bit crushed to me....and overly compressed. I just don’t like the “run everything through a marshall” sound...drums..synth..all of it.

Need some clean sounds in there as well as some dirty ones ...

And I like a “dirty synth” but I don’t like “synth through a marshall” type stuff....If it’s naturally dirty (prophet, oberheim) thats OK, TB303 has its own grit, but I dont think taking a fluty patch and running it through some distortion vsti sounds all that good… but hey I’m a dino..

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Thks i agree. It sounds only Ok and not great. Yes those are just sketches rather than finished pieces.  Ajm 786 sounds much better because he put a lot of work developing the whole album in 1 year or so.

All my sketches that u hear where made in 6 - 10 hours with recording and everithing. So u can’t compare 1 year vs 6-10 hours. And i think that my sketches don’t make impression because i don’t use the right sounds and the arrangement must be remade in some ways and this takes many days of hard painful work and not hours of fun.

I plan to put 3-5 months of work for one album , to release that album commercially. But i will not work alone for that… I really don’t understand u Ajm 786. If u have worked so hard for you’re album , why do u offer you’re work for free ?. Why don’t u find a sponsor ??. Or u can try to remix you’re album in a Daw, to sound more commercially in Chill Out style. And u can include a Voice singer in you’re songs. The days of Yanny & Vangelis are gone.

I think Radus idea of a “singer” is a good one...and maybe a singer is good for some songs.

I would also include a virtuoso violinist, cellist, flautist, electric guitar, etc...as the ‘vocal’.

Eg I think a Jean Luc Ponty violin or a Scofield etc type solo could prove equally as effective.

One thing I don’t like about vocals for abstract songs is it makes more concrete the “meaning” of the song… Of course that’s only when vocals have lyrics which is not always the case.

Radu, go get on the IRC and go to mixxnet and get on the #reaper channel. Talk to bbb. He knows how to do the syncopated delays you are trying to get.... He is hungarian in your time zone maybe?

He had the #1 video in hungary a few years back, that is something, he knows what he is doing and he is a signed artist.

Everyone be well

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radurobert - 09 September 2010 12:45 AM

I really don’t understand u Ajm 786. If u have worked so hard for you’re album , why do u offer you’re work for free ?. Why don’t u find a sponsor ??. Or u can try to remix you’re album in a Daw, to sound more commercially in Chill Out style. And u can include a Voice singer in you’re songs. The days of Yanny & Vangelis are gone.

Well, my work is not out there for free. You can purchase it on Amazon, iTunes, and a bunch of other places. Currently I am constructing a new site which will allow you to purchase the songs directly.

I do believe in allowing people to sample the album before they buy. I certainly would like to find a sponsor also, but I want to establish myself first.

My album is already mixed and balanced in a DAW. As for the voice singer, the answer to that is no. It does not convey the message or the direction I want to go in, and, as Funkster said accurately, makes the message too concrete, which leaves little to the imagination.

I do not think the days of Yanni or Vangelis is over. I just want to offer my perspective in the genre. I am going to try to be successful in that.

Funkster - 09 September 2010 01:25 AM

I would also include a virtuoso violinist, cellist, flautist, electric guitar, etc...as the ‘vocal’.

Just to follow up on this, this is exactly what I want to achieve. Although it’s a bit hard for me to try and emulate that myself with just the workstation. :D

My Motif XS really sounds different from RaduRoberts and that makes Motif so great. You can use it so many ways to do so many kinds of music and it will get even better with flash ROM you can customize. We are living wonderfull times indeed. Only few weeks until XF is in Europe!