Guys, get this. Let’s state the obvious, the XF is clearly a total repeat of the XS with some extra waveforms, is that true? And that is after three looong fu_king years. Take a second to think about it! Ask yourself a question, one that may help you see the light and the true nature of Yamaha’s sabotage of your wallet...What have they given you for your loyalty and your patience and your money?? Well lets see now, they have removed “important features” from previous models, denied us practical features that any producer needs, and added incremental changes that are designed to mislead you into thinking that Yamaha really cares about you and not your money.I mean, come ooon! It is so obvious a blind bat could see what they’re doing.
Is Yamaha being real or have they become complacent and totally disrespectful in the way they are taking you for granted and hoping you will fork out all over again. Surely most of you must be seeing through these insidious little tactics of theirs. You may find the memory expansion compelling to offer a few new half arsed sounds, but ultimately the XF is flawed in the areas that count, despite the fact that Yamaha would argue otherwise.You end up with all the XS sounds all over again. Well actually i know they are just playing a bit of a joke on us, the real XS successor will be coming out next week, right Yamaha? Yamaha is basically saying that in three fu_king years they were to fu_king useless to produce a whole new crop of sounds because they have become conceited in their opinion of their progress, and well, fu_king lazy actually. Forget backward compatibility you silly morons, move on idiot head, there are hardly any sounds in the XS worth keeping. With the XF the pertinent point is that you end up with the same largely thin sounding so so Yamaha filters and compressed waveforms all over again. The large majority of their synth sounds are nothing that cannot be beaten by the few top notch VST’s that are out there. In fact, most of their synth sounds sound like they were sampled from VST’s anyway, so what advantage is there in spending all the money for an incomplete product that does no better than software.There is only about ten synth presets max on the XS/XF that sound phat and useable, therefore the rest of the ROM is utterly useless and ultimately a compromise on what could really be achieved elsewhere. Have a listen to cakewalks Z3TA+ synth on youtube, actually, go in to the store and hear it in real life, then you will know what i mean, man does that give it up, hundreds of potent synth sounds ready for kicking arse which don’t sound thin. Therefore, effectively the Motif is simply a hugely overpriced midi controller with unfinished tools and half-arsed presets of very little use to the serious composer/producer.Gotta go for now, but my next post will narrow down the best alternatives and options for you.
By the way, can anyone tell me what the biggest difference in sound is between the XS/XF and a $299 casio, i’m having trouble telling the difference.

I completely agree with this.

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is your attention deficit disorder under medical treatment?

@foleycore, I was going to write some post making fun of your endless rants, but I think that you’ve posted so much on this topic that you’ve become a self-parody at this point.

I think that “it needs fat fu_king” filters is filed away in my mind along with “it needs more cowbell”, and “this amp goes up to 11”.

@smart: you’re right! and we all know: “where can we go from here? Nowhere! Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do? - Put it up to eleven - Eleven. Exactly. One louder.”
so, Yamaha, put it up to eleven, those fu__ing filters!!! ;-)

Here is our video taped response to Foley’s nonsense.

Response to Foley at about 4 Minutes In - Filters

You can go to about 4 minutes in. The Motif’s filters are superior to any other workstation in terms of both the variety of types and the quality.

Got me really impressed there for a minute from the ability of knowing all the sounds of the XF before it hits the stores.

There is no end for what you can do on the XS.

The XF is an upgrade indeed. Black and sexy and with more force within it. Just until the next motif to come. Mostly made to put the Yamaha Flash memory units in the market. Wich is totally ok.

A cool video Athan like the whole DVD.

Well seeing as a 1000 plus sounds on the XF are identical to the XS and the filters are exactly the same, we don’t need to hear the XF before it hits the stores, and don’t think a slight tweek of the AD/DA converters is gonna make up for compromised (or should that be, compressed, sounds and very average filters))
Come on Yamaha! Was that video seriously your response for touting your delusion was it. Ok guys, listen up! Go into any good music store, grab a hardware Moog called “Little Phatty” and A/b it side by side with the synth sounds in the XS and tell me in no uncertain terms which one even a 12 year old will tell you is Phat. Are you guys at Yamaha for real, what the fu_k on this planet did that video prove for you?  Basic concepts of synth design? God in heaven save us. Now i know whats going on, we’ve got nerds like Athan and the rest of them at Yamaha who play in panzy bands that have no fu_king substance and aim for old fogey audiences. Can you people really trust these old fashioned sneaky greedy liitle pricks who try to sell you this crap. As i’ve always known, they appear to have no real idea of what a phat synth sound is...not to mention a good sounding dance hi hat.
yamahas opinion of themself is akin to the US armies attitude of going about their lazy arse business in Iraq while they drive along the road, and then my planted IED pounds the fu_k out of them. which one is more of a reality? The IED or the dead complacent fu_ks who never had a brain.

Two oscillators and one filter for nearly two grand.

I’d fully expect that single note of polyphony to be pretty good, even if it doesn’t have fckncrossfadeloopingsampleediting or a single hhat sample.

Or that it doesn’t do about six thousand things a workstation does.

Not that I don’t like analog stuff, but you remind me of a persistent faulty transister. A Bipolar one.

The definition of Bi-polar, alternating extreme emotional states of happiness and sadness. I’ve never been happy with Yamahas bullshit ever, so how does that constitute bi-polar sh_thead? You never have had your facts straight Wayno. By the way, I’m a danish/Maori half breed born in New Zealand, and in twenty years of being in Australia i’ve never met an aussie with an aggreeable attitude unless their was something in it for them, so you sound like another one of them, more of the same, a bit like Yamaha actually.
Have you ever heard of quality not quantity dickwad? Nah i thought not. The simple fact remains that the XS/XF filters are not and never have been phat sounding.
Without persistence the world would not be where it is today slime bag, and that is why my music sh_ts all over yours. Now i’ll start my new thread and give you the alternative workstation that actually has phat filters, better features and sounds, and is cheaper. so if thats the case, why can’t Yamaha do it? Because, one, they haven’t got what it takes, and two, they are to busy looking at our wallets instead of concentrating on the Job at hand, thats why.

foleycore7 - 06 September 2010 12:35 AM

Have you ever heard of quality not quantity dickwad? Nah i thought not. The simple fact remains that the XS/XF filters are not and never have been phat sounding.
Without persistence the world would not be where it is today slime bag, and that is why my music sh_ts all over yours. Now i’ll start my new thread and give you the alternative workstation that actually has phat filters, better features and sounds and is cheaper. so if thats the case, why can’t Yamaha do it? Because they are to busy looking at our wallets instead of concentrating on the Job at hand, thats why.

Would you mind sharing some of your music with us? Where can we listen to your work?

You are making music, right? (I mean, you’re not just pretending to be a musician?)

I am very interested in your phat songs.

(Are they really really phat? Phatter than fried chicken skin and hot butter?)

You can’t match me KoKohead so give up. I don’t cast my pearls before swine, i play my music in the pro arenas where the delights of my funky grinding hard pounding rhythmic tracks send people into gyrations of glee. Now on to my next thread, give me twenty minutes or so and i’ll help wake you pathetic clowns out of your slumber, either that, or your far to easily impressed by Yamahas suspect sounds.Don’t the Japs know what soul is?? get your silly little ears checked you lot.
Newsflash!!! Newsflash!!! OK so i just saw a couple of new videos by some civilized polite Japanese man showing us the delights of the XF. Well yes, hey, there appears to be some nice sounds in there that are more than useable, but that’s the new waveforms combined with the tweak of the converters, still very good… problem is i hear some commendable lush punchy synth sounds, but hey, lifeless, souless, clinical, i sat there impressed but totally unmoved, we have a paradox going on here, how can i take on 50 cent with “THIN” lifeless soulless sounds, well I can’t can I, so i’ll have to give the XF a miss, especially considering theres a total lack of useful features for composing with. Yamaha gave us a whole tonne of useless new ethnic drumkits, thus explaining the old farts who design their keyboards, and not a single electronic drumkit offering of something new for us trance and hardhouse boys, that just says it all doesn’t it, how does that work, bit of bias and partiality going on there i think Yamaha.

I thought Foley was banned 3 years ago. Redundant troll is redundant.

this australian guy has got a real inferiority complex! please, yamaha, kick this pretender out of here! we can’t stand this loudmouth any more! it is toe-curling what he says… where are the “pro arenas” - in the australian desert? c’mon guy, do you thing we’re all stupid? back off!

Ah, so you’re from Choiceland, eh Bro!?

And clearly a racist, coming here then badmouthing the people of the country you’ve chosen to live in.

foleycore7 - 06 September 2010 12:35 AM

Have you ever heard of quality not quantity dickwad? Nah i thought not. The simple fact remains that the XS/XF filters are not and never have been phat sounding.

Yes I have heard of quality vs quantity, having owned a Memorymoog, Minimoog, Jupiter 6 and currently a Virus C, among other things.

And as I alluded to, and as you well know, quality costs, so a a mono synth with a little keyboard is going to do it’s specialist thing better than a workstation that does 128 times the poly and filters and a whole lot more besides for only about twice the price.

I also seem to recall one of your many futile rants being about how the Motif should have had even more polyphony and FX. Not that these sorts of contradictions are anything new.

We’ve yet to hear of what superior bit of gear (relevant to the workstation buyer) you’ve bought in the last few years, or any sounds you’ve made with it.

If you’re looking to work in a more “Bomb The Bass” style, then there’s more specialised gear for that which would suit better. A lot of that used gear is real cheap now.

Fol-ster: here is a keyboard that will solve all of your problems.  It even comes with a slick built in microphone - UNLIKE the Motif XF - AND extra wide keys for when you choose to get “Totally Extreme” with your one-finger arpeggios.

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/nov2009/0/2/my-first-keyboard-pic-elc-288952033.jpg

Note the big red buttons add instant side-chain compression and auto-tune to everything at once in order to be totally up to date with the latest trends.

The smaller red buttons inject real-time “talent” and “mad skillz” to your dope cutz. 

All in all, I think it should work pretty well for you.  That and a couple of Lady Gaga wigs, and I think you will find yourself on the fast-track to hits-ville in no time.