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hanny_ep
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Joined 04-30-2006 status: Regular |
Thanks, this is very helpful mate...! |
hanny_ep
Total Posts: 30
Joined 04-30-2006 status: Regular |
The June 2010 Sound on sound review of the CP1 adds that the CP5 which is half the price has the same main sound set, the same keybed and most of the other bells and whistles.
Cheers I’ve tried CP 5 also, and the sound and the feel is different from CP1 cause different voice block , exp: DX7 in CP5 is not using FM but using AWM2 (its not same with the original DX7 and can"t produce the sound like the original) Cheers |
papaphoenix
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Joined 03-09-2004 status: Guru |
Thnak you, i’m happy you like the video, Ksounds Signature Piano for XS is a very great sound bank, to my taste the best i’m use and try on my XS. |
hanny_ep
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Joined 04-30-2006 status: Regular |
Wellie: The June 2010 Sound on sound review of the CP1 adds that the CP5 which is half the price has the same main sound set, the same keybed and most of the other bells and whistles.
Cheers Thanks bro for the info :) |
bengertje
Total Posts: 155
Joined 09-15-2009 status: Pro |
Today I’ve compared Signature Piano for XS with East West QL Piano’s Gold. And I have to say Signature Piano didn’t disappoint me. To be honest, The Signature C7 was better as the EWQL C7. The Steinway D from EWQL is really very good(my favourite piano sound), but the C7 from Signature Piano is also very good! It’s another piano sound, but not better or worse. So I think a Motif Xs with Signature Piano is the best hardware piano you can get! |
hanny_ep
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Joined 04-30-2006 status: Regular |
Wow really appreciated for the info....you’re just like me who is concern about the sound especially about piano sound....i’m wondering about CP1’s sound from you....:) |
bengertje
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Joined 09-15-2009 status: Pro |
I really want to try the Cp1, but there’s no store nearby my village. So I think it will take a couple of months to try it out. (I’ll never buy one, because I’m satisfied with my motif and signature piano.) |
MarcelB
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Joined 09-30-2008 status: Experienced |
I want to say a few things in reaction to the great YouTube vids from Papaphoenix. First of all: great that he made these vids. Second: the Signature Piano sounds great! Third: Apart from the great way he plays (I can’t do that) Papaphoenix uses a bit too much reverb in my opinion (in the Voices presentation video). I wonder why he does that. A bit less, or no reverb - how would the Signature piano sound then? |
Gospelpad160
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Joined 01-25-2006 status: Enthusiast |
BTW, go look at the specs for the CP1 and CP5 and you will see that it has the new voice engine and the AWM2 that the motif has. I don’t understand why the Motif XS couldn’t have the new voice engine. The specs shot what Bad Mister said up because Yamaha was able to accommodate both engines for the CP1 and CP5. What’s up with that!!!! |
MoGut
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Joined 05-08-2004 status: Guru |
Yes, its unfortunate that AWM2 and SCM both sample the same S6 piano and produce different results |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
The CP1 does not use AWM2 at all - it is strictly SCM as its tone generation - you are wrong in your facts. That is what is up with that!!! :) - perhaps it is you who should go look at the specs (again)! :-) The CP5 features both technologies (the acoustic pianos, the CP80-type, the Tine (Rhodes) and Reed (Wurli) electric pianos are all modeled!!! - All the other sounds (organs, synths, guitars, basses, brass, woodwinds, etc are AWM2 samples… and for some that is just what they need. It comes down to degree of programmability. If you are really interested in why the Motif XF does not have SCM you only have to understand what that would cost currently. The target customer couldn’t afford it. The SCM by itself (in the pure form) in the CP1 has many people in this thread and even magazine reviewers gasping at the price. Which is okay, it is not for everyone… and certainly would up the price of the XF significantly. What does the Motif XF do that the CP5 doesn’t, you ask yourself… you have understand and appreciate the difference between a “stage piano” and “synthesizer workstation”. We think the CP5 is a great (marketable) compromise of the best of the new technology along with what a performer would want in stage piano. It certainly has a much friendlier price than the CP1. If you cannot hear the difference between the CP1 and CP5 - is the price difference what is getting in your way? Here’s how to tell: If Yamaha were to offer you either one, the CP1 or the CP5 which would you take? When you answer that question honestly, then you know… :) |
Gospelpad160
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Mispoke about the CP1, my apologies to the expert, lol! I would only hope that the next S90XF maybe would have the new technology! I’m really exicted about my “New” XS8 so Yamaha still came through. The funny thing is I remember the same types of complaints when the XS came out and probably when the ES came out. |
Bad_Mister
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...And when the original Motif came out. I have quotes here about how we would never be successful with the Motif… and what were we thinking by not including a floppy disk drive, and nobody uses SmartMedia cards, and etc., etc., etc Same as it ever was.... :) |
XSMercedes
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Joined 07-03-2007 status: Experienced |
You are missing a key point. For me, the decision to buy a CP1 versus a CP5 is not about cost, but having additional sounds in one instrument if the feel of the keyboard is exactly the same. So my question is do the CP1 and CP5 have the exact same keyboard or do the keyboards feel and react differently when the same person is playing both? The specs imply they are the same, but in actual use by someone who has played both, are they? One poster stated they feel different, but is that accurate? For me, the feel of the keyboard is what is most important plus the SCM piano sounds. Since both have the SCM piano sounds, If both keyboards are exactly the same and no one can tell the difference in feel, then I would want the CP5, not because it is less expensive, but because it has the additional sounds. But if the feel of the keyboards in real life, as opposed to specs, are different, then I would pay the extra for the CP1. Any thoughts from someone with actual experience or knowledge would be greatly appreciated. |
Bad_Mister
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Not sure how I could be missing your point as this is your first post in this thread… Of course, the difference between the two products is not going to be clear to everyone. The CP1 and the CP5 have exactly the same NW (wooden key) action. On that point you can be assured. The CP1 and the CP5 target two different customers. However, they both demand the best feeling piano action available on a stage piano. And that is what they both get.
Feel is totally subjective. The actions are factually the same - whether they feel the same to an individual will really be a subjective call. When you change from an acoustic sound to an electric sound, trust me, the action seems to change… in actual fact it did not, but in blindfold tests most humans swear it is different… so when someone reports the action ‘feels’ this way or that, it is something that is totally subjective, personal and a function of the exact voice they are playing.
And that is a very, very good reason to purchase the CP5, because you need those additional sounds. The “less expensive” thing is for those who are worried about it. They think that less expensive equates to inferior in sound, and that is simply not always the case. Here it has to do with computational power… the CP1 simply has greater ability to crunch numbers (which is important in modeling keyboards).
Like buying an acoustic piano or buying shoes, you have to play them for yourself. No one can tell you what fits for YOU. There is a lot going in in the new technology and in how it responds to playing it. And speaking subjectively playing the SCM sounds is quite a bit different from playing velocity swapping samples. You don’t necessarily feel the same ceiling to your velocity input - the way it speaks on piano phrases is very holistic (and this is true on both the CP1 and the CP5). If I have to offer my own subjective opinion about what separates the CP1 from the CP5 on the acoustic piano, it is the ability to be able to actually “dial in” the piano sound you want to play. Playing the preset sound is one thing, but the first time you sit down and tweak the piano in serious way, that is when you start to appreciate what the CP1 has to offer. The CP5 has less in the way of this type of editing but the trade off is you get a library of additional sounds, remember the CP1 is only the 17 models (acoustic and vintage pianos)… while the CP5 is 11 models and some 300 AMW2 sounds, plus the ability to layer/split 4 on the keyboard, plus an 8 ZONE MIDI controller, plus the mic input channel strip that includes a noise gate, compressor and dedicated Insertion effect for your mic, plus the ability to playback .wav files from a USB stick, etc., etc. For some the CP5 is right on target for performing on stage. And like the magazine reviewer, some folks wind up scratching their heads because the CP1 does not have all of that. But again, all the questions are answered when you experience playing them side-by-side. |