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occmed
Total Posts: 57
Joined 08-19-2008 status: Experienced |
Can you assign pitch bend to the expression pedal? I am often busy on the keyboard with both hands but need to use pitch bend at times as well eg with guitar sounds or some pop synth sounds. |
Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
Technically speaking, no, you cannot. Pitch Bend (En in hexidecimal) is its own category of MIDI message which is sent by the dedicated PB Wheel. What you can do is assign Coarse Tune or Fine Tune to other controllers… while this will change the pitch, it is not (technically speaking) actually Pitch Bend (En). There are a couple of reasons why altering the tuning with Coarse Tune via a Foot Pedal may be problematic: 1) you can only execute the bend in one direction, not up and/or down as with the PB wheel (a spring loaded wheel control capable of movement up or down with a center return position) 2) once you select the direction of bend (say you want to bend the pitch in an upward direction) the foot pedal must be kept in the heel down position to facilitate normal pitch. You must move the pedal toward toe down in order to execute the bend and manually return it to heel down to again play normally. 3) the foot is a rather clumsy limb (compared to the hand) when it comes to controlling pitch manually. The lack of a spring-loaded automatically returning-to-zero control makes this difficult to master 4) the Coarse Tune and Fine Tune parameter are not going to align to any particular semitone increments. In fact, when setting up the Control Set and targeting a DESTINATION - Coarse Tune, a +16 setting will equal 1 Octave of pitch change. Trying to set the pitch bend to any exact semitone distance is problematic.
If you wish to explore this (anyway).
You might want to explore Aftertouch as a possible alternative controller. The Aftertouch message (Dn in hexadecimal) is, again, its own classification of MIDI control message. You apply additional downward pressure on the keyboard to apply the “Coarse Tune”. Because it is controlled with your hand and because it is going to automatically return to 0 when you ease off, it is far more intuitive than the Foot Controller (when it comes to controlling pitch change. You do have a similar limitation in that the pitch change will only be available in one direction. Hope that helps. |
occmed
Total Posts: 57
Joined 08-19-2008 status: Experienced |
Another detalied excellent prompt reply for which I am most grateful.
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Metheny
Total Posts: 142
Joined 12-02-2005 status: Pro |
Personally, when I know I won’t be able to use the pitch bend wheel, I like to use the expression pedal to control Coarse Tune and Fine Tune (as Bad Mister described) to get a “bend” effect.
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Bad_Mister
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Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
If your aftertouch stopped working - this precludes any subtle motions to control it, I would guess. You should have it looked at - probably a connector that has come loose. |
Metheny
Total Posts: 142
Joined 12-02-2005 status: Pro |
I don’t think I’m gonna bring it to the labs since they take loads of money just to take the Motif apart.
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Bad_Mister
Total Posts: 36620
Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
Well then, no wonder you think it is broken. Seriously, you cannot assign Effect ON/OFF to Aftertouch with any kind of great results, here’s why: Aftertouch is a the definitive momentary control. It is not a switch. In other words, if you assigned it to a function that was responsible for setting an effect to be applied, it would only be applied while you applied Aftertouch - as soon as you let go the effect would shut off. This is what we call a ‘poor choice’ for controller assignment. Please check out the SUPPORT article on Working with and Understanding Physical Controllers |
Metheny
Total Posts: 142
Joined 12-02-2005 status: Pro |
Sorry, I still think Aftertouch should not be used to control a continuous range, in case some amount of precision is required.
I feel that my choice of controllers is actually quite good, and often “non-conformist” thinking (i.e. not using controllers exactly according to the manual) can really come into hand.
You misunderstood a few of the issues I explained. Please try to understand the idea I’m trying to convey, rather than trying to reach various conclusions (e.g. I don’t know how to use aftertouch), which feels a bit condescending.
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