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Posted on: March 15, 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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Hello Chums…

I don’t know if this has been covered before?

On my Korg CX3 Drawbar Combo Organ, the FC5 Yamaha Foot Pedal Switch (Sustain Pedal) controls the speed of the Leslie Speaker alternately Fast/Slow, which makes for hands-free playing.

On my Motif MO 6 the Leslie Speed of the Drawbar Organs is controlled by the Modulation Wheel, Fast/Slow, by default which ties the left hand up during playing!

Is it possible to use the FC4/FC5 Sustain Pedal Switch to control the speed by alternately switching the Leslie speed to Fast and Slow using an alternate action on the Pedal; tap for Fast..tap again for Slow?

I have tried replacing the Modulation Wheel by the Sustain Foot Pedal in the individual Voice “Control Set”, without much success!

Note: The FC7 Foot Controller MUST be be retained for the “Volume Control” application for the Organ Voices!

If it can be done, what are the changes necessary to the “Control Set” for this to be achieved?
It would need to be programmed for each Organ Voice as required, (and not in the general; “Utility” Mode, which specifies the Foot Controller for Volume, and the Foot Switch for Sustain).

I need both hands free, for playing the Drawbar Organ...LOL...!

Many thanks for any advice…

Paul.

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Posted on: March 15, 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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i ended up using a volume control pedal..it worked like the mod wheel.

i have a roland vk7 and it would let me do the tap thing too. i can’t remember but i resorted to the volume pedal (yamaha brand).

so..if you find another way i’d like to know too.

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Posted on: March 15, 2010 @ 12:38 PM
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labpartners - 15 March 2010 12:26 PM

i ended up using a volume control pedal..it worked like the mod wheel.

i have a roland vk7 and it would let me do the tap thing too. i can’t remember but i resorted to the volume pedal (yamaha brand).

so..if you find another way i’d like to know too.

Hello Lab…

Thanks for the reply…

I remember Phil (Bad Mister) suggesting using the FC7 Pedal, (in Utility Mode), a while ago, but on a Drawbar Organ it is vital to use the FC7 Foot Controller for controlling the “Volume”...as on a real Hammond B3!…

...watch this space!...LOL...!

Paul....

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Posted on: March 17, 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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This one might be a good solution for you
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCB1010

Or Yamaha MFC10
http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMMFC10

I think you can switch ARPs with this (correct me if I’m wrong)

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Posted on: March 17, 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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dcool - 17 March 2010 11:16 AM

This one might be a good solution for you
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCB1010

Or Yamaha MFC10
http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMMFC10

Ta, D...;)...!

Drawbar Hammond Voice:

The only thing I am not sure of, is whether or not the MO6/8 can actually be programmed in the Common Voice “Controller Set” to enable the FC4/5 Sustain Pedal to function as a switch, using any available Effects, to perform ALTERNATE Fast and Slow Leslie, press Pedal once for Fast...press Pedal again for Slow?

(My Korg CX-3 Drawbar Combo Organ works in this fashion)

The poor alternative would be; Press and hold for Fast...release for Slow?

Any ideas on the two alternatives, Chums..?

Paul...;)...!

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Posted on: March 17, 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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The FC4/5 are momentary pedals… so they only momentarily send a value (i.e., as long as you foot is on it).

Just FYI: The Mod Wheel is acting as a ‘switch’ on the tone wheel organ sounds. Once you flip it up the transition takes place according to the pre-programmed Transition Time parameters for Rotor and for Horn.

You can by a simple click foot switch, I’m pretty sure it will work… go to your local store and ask to try it out. Yamaha does not make such a click switch, but others have reported this works.

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Posted on: March 18, 2010 @ 03:59 AM
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Bad_Mister - 17 March 2010 11:19 PM

The FC4/5 are momentary pedals… so they only momentarily send a value (i.e., as long as you foot is on it).

Just FYI: The Mod Wheel is acting as a ‘switch’ on the tone wheel organ sounds. Once you flip it up the transition takes place according to the pre-programmed Transition Time parameters for Rotor and for Horn.

You can by a simple click foot switch, I’m pretty sure it will work… go to your local store and ask to try it out. Yamaha does not make such a click switch, but others have reported this works.

Thanks Phil, for the reply...;)...!

I do have a number of alternate action Foot Pedal Switches, (one of which controls my real Leslie 760 Speed, press on, press off).

I just have to figure out if they can be plugged into the normal MO6 Sustain (1/4 inch Mono) Pedal Socket, and programmed into the “Control Set” to work in “Alternate Action Mode” to control the Leslie Speed Fast/Slow.
The MO6 Modulation Wheel for Leslie Speed Control is a three terminal potentiometer device, and can be replaced by the FC7 Controller Pedal for Leslie Speed in the “Utility” Mode, but this affects the whole Keyboard, and prevents the FC7 from being used as a Volume Control (for Drawbar Hammond Volume), which is vital for expression whilst playing!

I would dearly love to be able to control my Motif various Drawbar Hammond’s (Voice) Leslie Speed via a Foot Switch!

Ongoing experimentation...LOL...!

Paul...MO6/MM6/Korg CX-3+Leslie 760...;)...!

P.S. ...I could never figure out why Hammond B3 players didn’t replace their Keyboard-mounted Leslie Control Switches, with a simple alternate action Foot Pedal switch, to enable hands-free playing whilst controlling the Leslie Speed?....;)...!
..it works with my Korg CX3 (2-Manual) Drawbar Combo Organ, using my FC4/5 Pedals, with and without my Leslie 760, and the FC7 controls the Volume....
...Hammond B3 Heaven!..LOL..!

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Posted on: March 18, 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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...I could never figure out why Hammond B3 players didn’t replace their Keyboard-mounted Leslie Control Switches, with a simple alternate action Foot Pedal switch, to enable hands-free playing whilst controlling the Leslie Speed?....;)...!

If you are kicking pedals you have more than enough to do with your feet!!! lol. Musicians for years have been able to turn pages of sheet music, even during a complex composition… reaching up and flipping the Leslie Control Switch was easy enough!

Feet!?! One doing heel-toe-heel-toe on the pedals board, and the other controlling volume, never found it difficult to flip that lever, press a preset, work the drawbars… hands multi-task faster than feet… just a thought.

As to the pedal - a simple guitarist’s ON/OFF foot switch - don’t go adapting any jacks to fit a 1/4” jack… it should be a simple pedal with a 1/4” jack… let us know.

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Posted on: March 25, 2010 @ 03:36 AM
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Well Chums…

I’ve been battling through this problem for days now, and I’ve come the the conclusion that it cant be programmed into the Motif MO6/8. Only the Modulation Wheel can be used for the purpose of controlling the Leslie speed.
It can possibly be done on the Motif ES and Motif XS, as they both contain the rear sockets for TWO Foot Controllers (FC7), one of which can possibly be assigned to replace the Modulation Wheel to control the Leslie Speed?
The Motif MO 6/8 only has two rear sockets, one for a single Foot Switch (Sustain, etc), and the other for a single Foot controller (Volume/Expression).

The on/off function of the Foot Pedal (Sustain) cannot be programmed to replace the function of the variable Modulation/Volume “Controller"…

So that fantastic idea has gone down the Pan!...(cry)…

Paul....;)..!

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Posted on: March 25, 2010 @ 04:11 AM
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More controller options is one of the perks of moving up the hierarchy of models…

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Posted on: April 03, 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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...so there you go, Chums…
As there seems to be some interest in this project, It would appear that if you have a Motif ES6/7/8, or Motif XS6/7/8 with two “Controller” Pedal Inputs (FC7), one will be used for normal Volume control, whilst the other can replace? the Modulation Wheel “MW” in “Edit Mode” for controlling the speed of the Leslie Speaker!

My Motif MO6 only has one Foot Controller Input (FC7), (and one Sustain Pedal Input FC4/5), so it doesn’t work for me...which is a shame!

Paul...;)...!

P.S...It would be interesting to know if anyone has tried it?

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Posted on: April 03, 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Yes, on an ES or XS you do have two Foot Controller jacks and it is possible.

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