just wondering If I could make edits and such to voices and multis and then just have it update the rack next time I connect them? 

this would be great if I could.

I’ve got a lot of general edits that I need to make and I could take care of it when I’m not connected to the rack.

the answer is yes.  just in case anyone needs to know.

thanks to all that helped.

Well, yes but be warned if you are not connected to the Motif-Rack XS you cannot hear what you’re editing (so it is limited usefulness)… it is sort of like asking can you get up and walk in the dark when you cannot see… well, yes, of course, but don’t be surprised if you bang your toe (lol).

the “general” edits that I am making do not require me to hear any sounds.  I am simply turning off midi channel 1 (the drums) and also turning off the arp for the drum and bass section of the multi.

Bad_Mister it does allow me to save voices while not connected, but the “store mixing” option (which is how you save multi edits, right?) is not selectable.  So because I can’t choose for some reason it’s not allowing me to save any edits to my multi.

thanks in advance for your help.

The Yamaha software will not permit any permanent changes to the editor version of the multis. The only way to use the editor for that purpose is to make your changes when you are on-line with the rack, then store those changes on the Rack itself.

Bob

Thanks. But to be honest that is retarded.  Why allow the access/edits on the single voices but not on the multis. ? That makes no sense at all.

Really!? Makes no sense to you… hmmm, please explain why. Perhaps you are missing this… the MULTI Editor is designed for the current MULTI… when working with an external DAW software (like Cubase) you are working with one MULTI at a time. That is the paradigm - the current composition. Current means you are working on it NOW… not later, not tomorrow, not when you are away from your gear.

Making edits without hearing what you are doing is like watching a movie with the television OFF, that makes no sense to me. lol

Now assembling VOICES is quite a different thing… you might want to assemble certain Voices into a library because you know the names of the sounds and can simply work while OFFLINE with Voice data. But while the Editor deals with VOICE LIBRARIES, it only deals with the 1, current, Multi. Hope that helps.

The reason why is because in the type of playing that I’m going to use this rack for I don’t need drums playing every freaking time I start playing a multi.  I don’t need all the arps to start every time I touch a key (and by the way, you can’t do anything at all to make the arps stop once they start other than change the multi you currently have selected.... retarded.)

I would like to use the editor to go through all of the multis and turn the arps OFF (at least by and large) and I’d also LOVE to turn off the drums that they have assigned to midi channel 1 by default on dang near ALL the multis.

I’ve been reading in several threads about how you say they created the multi function so that people could use the multi in a multi-timbrel setting (16 different tracks of a daw)… and they made the combine layers feature for those that want to use it as a layer like on the actual XS keyboard… but we’ve got drums and arps all over the dang place with no real way of knowing which to shut off and which to keep…

I guess you really have to spend quite a bit of time with your rack when you first get it in order to make it YOUR rack… (meaning set everything up the way you want it., not much is done from factory and it is also not very convenient to change.)

so this machine was not really meant for use in a live situation.... based on alot of the things I’ve read that people complain about, it seems like that’s the deal

Also, the reason I’d like to be able to make those edits while away from the rack is cause I can do it on my computer while at work or somewhere else and then just update the rack when I get back to the studio or home. (just the same as one can with the voices.  It just doesn’t make sense to be able to do one and not the other.)

just in case it matters (i know it probably doesn’t though), but I am going through manually making all the parameter changes to make it all meet my needs.  I am actually enjoying the time working on it.  The arps (some of them are quite nice) do add a nice effect here and there as long as it’s not all over the place LOL.  i do wish I could learn to control and turn the arps off and on during a live performance (from the racks front panel) and also assigning it to a control knob, etc… on the front of my Fantom G7.  that would be cool.  I’m sure it can be done too… I just need to figure out how.  (one thing at a time!!!!)

I do understand a little more about the arps and how the editor is set up now.  I’m still getting my hands around the global setting thing. 

I’m not sure if you all know this, but when you initialize a mutli, there is an option to choose from a lot of different templates (of different music styles), I’m not sure if they pick the instruments and arps, etc. at random (which would be freakin awesome), but most likely, you get the same thing every time. 

Either way, I’m enjoying this pretty dope machine.  Just a minor set back.  that’s all!!!

The reason why is because in the type of playing that I’m going to use this rack for I don’t need drums playing every freaking time I start playing a multi.  I don’t need all the arps to start every time I touch a key (and by the way, you can’t do anything at all to make the arps stop once they start other than change the multi you currently have selected.... retarded.)

The Motif-Rack XS comes with 128 MULTIs, if you are not going to use the data that comes preloaded, you are to initialize it and setup your own - Rather than leave the 128 locations completely blank, the first bank of PERFORMANCE data from the keyboard version was loaded into the MULTI locations.

If, for the “type of playing” that you’re doing you don’t need the drums, it is assumed you will customize the MULTIS for own needs. A quick look at the manual and you can learn how to setup your own MULTIS.

Start with MULTI 001
Press and hold [MULTI] + [ENTER] for 1 second
You have initialized a MULTI.

You are now free to setup your own Multi _ this is what you are expected to do - you really didn’t think that the engineers in Japan know what exactly your TYPE OF PLAYING requires do you. I don’t consider it retarded, no.

I’m not sure if you all know this, but when you initialize a mutli, there is an option to choose from a lot of different templates (of different music styles), I’m not sure if they pick the instruments and arps, etc. at random (which would be freakin awesome), but most likely, you get the same thing every time.

What you are mistakeningly calling “templates” are the PERFORMANCES - in the keyboard version of the XS, there are 384 (3 banks of 128 PERFORMANCES) many feature multiple arpeggios… you can have as many as 4 ARPS simultaneously. You can “play” these PERFORMANCES by activating the “LAYER 1-4 PARTS” parameter in UTILITY:

Press [UTILITY]
Select “GENERAL” > press [ENTER]
On page 2/5 set LAYER 1-4PARTS = ON

...  When “LAYER 1-4 PARTS” is set to ON, you can send signal in on the Basic Receive channel (typcially CH1), and play multiple arpeggios - (literally play four PARTS at once)… these complex split/layer/arpeggio combinations are for recording, song writing, composing, fun, inspiration, etc… There are 6,633 arpeggios (over 1900 drum grooves, over 1300 Bass lines, over 1200 guitar riffs...)

Call up 013 “Dark Continent” and play Toto’s “Africa”, or call up, or 074 “Let’s Comp” - walk a jazz bassline in your left hand, play chords in your right… the drummer, and guitar will accompany you! Check them out...at least once, then initialize them (you can restore them later, they are all backed up in the EDITOR’s MULTI LIBRARY.

But to not know what they are and what they can do, is just, well, you said it. lol

You can see a demo of these type of setups here (albeit on the Motif XS keyboard): Performances

These are very keyboard/composer oriented and since you may find them mostly “retarded” I would imagine they are not your cup of tea. We highly recommend that you read the manual pages 35-37 for a basic idea of the concept of how MULTIs can be used. (ie, initialized and programmed).

It goes over how to INITIALIZE the data and how to select sounds… Once you have customized the MULTI to your liking, name it and press [STORE].

Also just FYI: the AUDITION button can be programmed to be an ARP ON/OFF switch. Again this is in the manual. [UTILITY] > “GENERAL” > page 3/5 > AUDITION = arp sw > press [STORE]
So you only have to move away to stop the arpeggio, if you haven’t read the manual (lol). :-)

I would like to use the editor to go through all of the multis and turn the arps OFF (at least by and large) and I’d also LOVE to turn off the drums that they have assigned to midi channel 1 by default on dang near ALL the multis

Again, the PERFORMANCE data in the Motif-Rack XS was entered in place of just putting PRESET 1:001 in all 16 locations. Once you purchase it it is your Motif-Rack XS - setup the 128 Multis as you like. Don’t waste your time going through the EDITOR turning OFF the arpeggios… that’s a waste of your time.

Initialize a MULTI. We described one method above. If you are using the EDITOR you can easily initialize a MULTI by going to FILE > NEW or by going to EDIT > Initialize Current Mixing - you can even selectively initialize PARTS.

no mister the templates that I’m talking about are not the multis. I’m talking about when you initialize a multi (using the editor) there is a pull down menu of several different styles of music and it will make a “preset” multi template of a specific type of music and you can use that as a starting point…

so say I want to do a techno song, I can just choose a techno template and it will creat a multi already loaded with sounds geared toward that kind of music.

Oh, those, I find the ‘Normal’ and ‘GM’ useful… Those are placeholder templates carried over from the keyboard XS, where you can store your own. They are generally useful as a starting point, I guess.