Oh, one more request Oh wise one.....

Can we please have a ‘track tranpose’ block on the main mixer console view in song mode? In stead of it being hidden away in the depths of the OS. Now that would be useful!

Also, I was amazed to see 2 dedicated ‘Octave’ buttons on the XS but no ‘transpose’ or ‘note shift’, surely this is more commonly used than shifting a whole octave?

You know you have the ‘Play FX’ tab in the main song screen? You can transpose tracks there, as well as shift them back and forward in time relative to each other.

Df.

No I did’nt kow, i’ll take a look. Thanks
Does the applied ‘play FX’ save with the song?

beechit - 09 February 2010 08:10 AM

[...] Can we please have a ‘track tranpose’ block on the main mixer console view in song mode? In stead of it being hidden away in the depths of the OS. [...]

Perhaps a good solution for reaching certain pages (screens), without having to navigate through several others before it, would implement a “shortcut” or “numbered page”, such as exists in the Korg Karma (and probably the Triton line also has this feature). The pages (screens) are numbered as follows:

a.b

where a = mode, b = page

Is there a key combination (Korg keyboards have a dedicated number pad) where you can directly enter the numbers ”1” followed by ”2” (for example) and go directly to the page ”1.2”.

Even without a dedicated number pad on the XS*, it might be possible using the numbered keys on the right side 1-16 (Part Select, Part Mute, etc.), combined with some other key (or function F, SF) immediately to reach certain pages (perhaps all the pages, if they were numbered). Thus, any function that is widely used by a user, could be memorized and easily accessed faster.

P.S.1: OK, it´s another suggestion to Yamaha technical staff!

*P.S.2: dedicated number pad is not available in XS panel. However, you can use a QWERTY USB keyboard connected to XS. Maybe some interesting functions can be implemented with that!

Not sure if it’s technically possible but my wish would be that the Assignable Function 1 and 2 buttons could be assigned to do layers and splits.
I seldom use these buttons. How about the rest of you?
I also agree that the Octave buttons would be better utilized for transposing.

Lex

-Performance direct record mode is brilliant. It makes me wonder wouldn’t it be possible to have a voice direct record mode? Just push record in voice mode, TAP in the tempo (with record button?), hit play and recording starts.

To understand why this is not a viable suggestion you would have to understand the function of the Motif XS PART. PART parameters are what you place a VOICE in when going to PERFORMANCE mode or a MIXING program. It is a set of OFFSET parameters that allow you to non-destructively edit a VOICE for just the PERFORMANCE program or the SONG or PATTERN you use it in.

If you wish to record directly from VOICE mode - we assume you are only then going to record 1 VOICE. You can do that now by calling up that VOICE and recording directly to USB stick or to via Ethernet to your computer
Select your VOICE in VOICE mode
Press [FILE]
Press [F4] AUDIO
Select your DEVICE (either a USB drive or a shared device via your Ethernet network)
Press [SF1] REC
Name the FILE > press [ENTER]

Tap tempo has been requested by many and is on the drawing board for a future OS, I think that has been mentioned many times…

Can we please have a ‘track tranpose’ block on the main mixer console view in song mode? In stead of it being hidden away in the depths of the OS

It is very (very) important to understand the difference between TRANSPOSE and NOTE SHIFT.

You do not transpose on the main mixer console. And here’s why:
TRANSPOSE is a function of the keyboard (or sequencer) transmitting. When you TRANSPOSE you are changing, for example, what C3 (Middle “C") is sending.

NOTE SHIFT is a function of the tone generator receiving. When you NOTE SHIFT a PART in the Mixer area, you are changing, what pitch results when C3 Middle “C” is received.

You cannot just use the two terms interchangeable - you must make a distinction. If you create a SPLIT so that B2 and below is Bass and C3 and above is Piano… Then you TRANSPOSE… this is not always what you want to do. If you TRANSPOSE the keyboard up an OCTAVE - the split point moves down so that now you do not have enough real estate (lets call it) for your left hand sound. The Split point still remains at C3 but because you transposed the keyboard, C3 is not physically lower on the keyboard. What you really wanted to do was NOTE SHIFT the PART… you really did want to split the keyboard in the middle; what you wanted perhaps, is that the Bass sound was pitched up and octave.

That is when you wished you understood the difference between TRANSPOSE and NOTE SHIFT. lol

Transpose - goes out via MIDI… because it is a function of Transmitting either from the KEYS or the SEQUENCER.
Note Shift - does not go OUT via MIDI… because it is a function of the tone generator receiving information.

From a previous post on this topic:...................

in general, NOTE SHIFT in Yamaha-speak is something you do the receiving PART. It changes how the TONE GENERATOR responds to the incoming data.

TRANSPOSE in Yamaha-speak changes the data being transmitted. This data can be transmitted by the SEQUENCER or it can be transmitted by the KEYBOARD.

So when you EDIT a PART you will see the parameter NOTE SHIFT.
When you edit the TRACK Data, you will see the parameter TRANSPOSE.

NOTE SHIFT is changing the Tone Generator (receiving)

If you edit the track data using the JOB: TRANSPOSE you are changing what is transmitted via MIDI.

Note shift does not go out via MIDI
Transpose does go out via MIDI.

Hope that helps. Even though the result is the same and the concept is very, very similar - the difference is important to understand, especially when that data is interacting with an external device.

So to answer the question is it possible to ‘shift’ the octave of the track… You actually can ‘Transpose’ the octvate of the Track, or you can Note Shift the PART receiving that data.

To Tranpose the Track
Press [JOB] from the main screen
Press [F2] NOTE
Select the JOB 05: TRANSPOSE
Set the range of Measures, and the Transpose to +/-12 depending on the direction you want to change the data.
Press [ENTER] to execute
This will destructively change the note event data in the track.
Which means not only the Motif XS but anything external OUT via MIDI will be shifted by and octave.

Alternatively, there is a TRANSPOSE function on the main SONG and PATTERN screen. This will change the notes being transmitted by the sequencer and transpose them up or down by semitones (all except a track containing a DRUM KIT)

To Note Shift the PART
Press [MIXING]
Press [EDIT]
Press [F1] VOICE
Press [SF1] VOICE
Set the NOTE SHIFT +/-12 as required.

The data transmitted out via MIDI will remain in the original octave but the Motif XS tone engine will sound an octave shifted

How about bringing back “Category Search” in Record Mode.

Step record would be nice too but I think that’s a hardware feature.

Alternatively, there is a TRANSPOSE function on the main SONG and PATTERN screen. This will change the notes being transmitted by the sequencer and transpose them up or down by semitones (all except a track containing a DRUM KIT)

To Note Shift the PART
Press [MIXING]
Press [EDIT]
Press [F1] VOICE
Press [SF1] VOICE
Set the NOTE SHIFT +/-12 as required.

The data transmitted out via MIDI will remain in the original octave but the Motif XS tone engine will sound an octave shifted

OK I understand how it works, thanks for the info. The ‘note-shift’ option is what I require on the main mixing console, like on the SY-85/SY99 track setup, it was so quick and easy to do! When you have people coming in frequently to find a song they’d like to sing, I need to be able to ‘NOTE-SHIFT’ quickly to match their key without all the button pressing and faffing.
Please please please add this to the mixer console, everything else is there except that!

Hi dear Yamaha,
I have one whish, but it could be inpossyble, i and other blind owners would like that yamaha would integrate in to OS screan reading by voyce function, like narator in windows. It would be nice, that the function could be enabled or disabled by one button click, for example holding exit button would turn on talk and holding exit button would disable talking.
The reason why i am asking this is that editors of motif can not do all tasks, because there are commands, whitch are not regulated by sysex data, so menu reading in motif xs by voyce would be the gratest thing in the world.
Steinberg daw for blind owners is totally unaccsesyble.
And my second whish would be, that insertion effects could be used not 2 per channel, but for example if i wnat i can use 8 ins effect per channel and in another channel other 8. That 16 ins effect could be located by user, because sometimes we don’t need 2 ins effects per channel, and motif assumes that 2 effects are used. Example:
If i use on channel 1 only ins a it assumes, that i use ins a and ins b on channel 1 so on channel 9 for example i can not use unused effect.
I hope you did understand my example.

auriuxxas - 10 February 2010 04:53 AM

Hi dear Yamaha,
I have one whish, but it could be inpossyble, i and other blind owners would like that yamaha would integrate in to OS screan reading by voyce function, like narator in windows. It would be nice, that the function could be enabled or disabled by one button click, for example holding exit button would turn on talk and holding exit button would disable talking.
The reason why i am asking this is that editors of motif can not do all tasks, because there are commands, whitch are not regulated by sysex data, so menu reading in motif xs by voyce would be the gratest thing in the world.
Steinberg daw for blind owners is totally unaccsesyble.
And my second whish would be, that insertion effects could be used not 2 per channel, but for example if i wnat i can use 8 ins effect per channel and in another channel other 8. That 16 ins effect could be located by user, because sometimes we don’t need 2 ins effects per channel, and motif assumes that 2 effects are used. Example:
If i use on channel 1 only ins a it assumes, that i use ins a and ins b on channel 1 so on channel 9 for example i can not use unused effect.
I hope you did understand my example.

Good point, freeing up the FX processors to ‘one per voice’, giving you more simulateneous fx’s per song. But thinking about it, who really needs all those fx’s? Couldn’t you just resample a voice in all it’s glory and then insert it, if you needed something fancy for a song?

Bad_Mister - 09 February 2010 01:13 PM

It makes me wonder wouldn’t it be possible to have a voice direct record mode? Just push record in voice mode, TAP in the tempo (with record button?), hit play and recording starts.

If you wish to record directly from VOICE mode - we assume you are only then going to record 1 VOICE. You can do that now by calling up that VOICE and recording directly to USB stick or to via Ethernet to your computer

Tap tempo has been requested by many and is on the drawing board for a future OS, I think that has been mentioned many times…

Didn’t know about tap tempo. Great to hear we are going to have that! Thank you in advance.

Of course I know I can record one voice as an audio or as an midi with computer. But, I would like to record one voice as a midi onboard without going through mode change and assign voice to part and all that. Sorry to hear it is impossible in XS architecture. Maybe in next generation then…

tuquoque - 10 February 2010 07:21 AM

[...] Of course I know I can record one voice as an audio or as an midi with computer. But, I would like to record one voice as a midi onboard without going through mode change and assign voice to part and all that. Sorry to hear it is impossible in XS architecture. Maybe in next generation then…

So the simplest way is just go to the Song/Pattern mode and assign the Voice you want to record directly to one of the 16 Tracks available. You can record the Voice as MIDI data and can go adding other Voices in other Tracks. As final process, save everything in an audio file in USB. The advantage here is that you have several editing features in sequencer before recording the final version in audio.

The ‘note-shift’ option is what I require on the main mixing console, like on the SY-85/SY99 track setup, it was so quick and easy to do! When you have people coming in frequently to find a song they’d like to sing, I need to be able to ‘NOTE-SHIFT’ quickly to match their key without all the button pressing and faffing.

Note Shift in the SY products was very much the same as it is on the Motif-series products. So maybe we are misunderstanding what you wish to do.

Please explain.

SY85 (quick and easy!? really?)
Press [SONG]
Press [MULTI EDIT]
Press [MENU]
Select 5:Note Shift
Press [ENTER/YES]

If someone comes up to sing a song, and it is already sequenced, you would use the main SONG/PATTERN screen TRANSPOSE function - to quickly transpose the sequence.

If you are playing live and that is your situation - Since there are 128 MASTER setups - why not just setup one for each Key. It only takes 12 MASTER programs. Simply name them by the KEY they are set to play.
MASTER 001 = KEY of C
MASTER 002 = KEY of C#
MASTER 003 = KEY of D
and so on

You can quickly use CATEGORY SEARCH to swap out VOICES… Press EDIT and go to the COMMON EDIT OTHER screen. The Transpose will remain - kist search the VOICE you wish to play, the transpose will be applied. If some one comes up and says “Stella By Starlight, key of G” you simply recall MASTER 008: KEY of G

Want an electric piano instead of an acoustic.. search for it, by the time your bass player finds the chart, you’ll be ready.

RobsonLuis - 10 February 2010 09:04 AM

tuquoque - 10 February 2010 07:21 AM

[...] I would like to record one voice as a midi onboard without going through mode change and assign voice to part and all that.

So the simplest way is just go to the Song/Pattern mode and assign the Voice

?????

Thanks for the reply anyway : )

Hi,

I have 2 proposals if it is possible for next OS.

1. Ability to EXPORT DISPLAY from motif to PC over network ( it is a linux facility)

2. Driver for mouse on usb port (like roland fantom G).

Thank You.