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Posted on: November 16, 2009 @ 10:12 AM
chayimlife
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I have tried to split voices so many times and failed. I use the manual AND the suggestions from people owning similar but not the same unit who have given me suggestions on this forum. ( I own a MOTIF Rack ES)

I can sometime get the voices to split , but not using the proper ranges of pitch.

Any help in understanding basic use of the parameters of voices and splitting and layering.
I am now using only for teaching and performing purposes.
thanks for your help.

BTW: I am using midi out from my controller keyboard into the Motif Rack ES . Then audio out from the ES to a an amp.

I am not doing anything in the way of recording or sequencing. Strictly live performance.

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Posted on: November 17, 2009 @ 08:25 AM
TonyPhillips
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You’re going to need to be a bit more specific as to what you’ve done and what isn’t working as expected.

Splits and Layers (which, I’m assuming, you’re doing in a PERFORMANCE) are generally pretty simple; I’ve done quite a few of them.

I use them differently than a keyboard player; since I’m using a WX5, I’ve got a PERFORMANCE that has an Oboe, a Flute, and a Saxophone, all done in a split.  That way, if I need to change “instruments,” I just hit the Octave function on my WX5 and it puts me in a different note range, thus a different instrument.  I’ve used that performance dozens of times in a live setting.

In general, within your PERFORMANCE, you specify the voices you want as separate PARTS.  Then, within the PART editor, you specify the NOTE RANGE for that PART.  If the note ranges overlap, then you have a layer for that overlapped portion.  If they do NOT overlap, then you have a split.

Pretty simple stuff.

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Posted on: November 17, 2009 @ 05:02 PM
chayimlife
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Thanks for trying to help. I’ll try to clarify further:
I am using an M-audio 88 key controller keyboard.
I am trying to follow the directions from the manual, pages 31 and 32; Assigning desired Voices to each Part.

I am now able to get some splitting.
However one problem..Lets say i assign grand piano on the the lowest part to the range up to the B just below middle C. Then assign an electric piano to take the all the notes on the higher register.

What is happening is that the B just below middle C and all notes below are correctly pitched in terms of octave.
However when I assign another voice to start on the middle C(C3). it actually sounds one octave higher(C4) and the notes in the scale higher than it are pitched as D4, E4. etc etc.
In other words, it skips and octave. It does this regardless of what voice I select on part 2.

Another issue is that the PERF screen with voices to assign(#2 on page 31) seems to allow me
only 3 parts. Am I not able to split up to 4 or 6 parts?

These are a few of the issues. I hope I have explained it more clearly.
If not, I’ll try again to clarify.

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Posted on: November 17, 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Suggestion: You should start building your PERFORMANCES by initializing a location - it sounds as if you are inherting parameters that you are not aware are already programmed.

At any rate, you can set the NOTE SHIFT of each PART as required.

Press [EDIT]
Press the [MUTE/SEL] button to turn the LED Off… this selects the SELECT function… Now the PART buttons will allow you to view PART parameters
Press [1/5/9/13] to view PART 1 parameters
Using the PAGE [<]/[>] buttons select the “TONE” screen
Here you will find the NOTE SHIFT parameter which will allow you to shift the pitch of the PART up or down by semitones. (-12) will lower a sound an octave.

PERFORMANCES can include 4 PARTS. Not sure why you are limited to 3. The 4 can be internal or from PLG150 boards (each PLG150 board slot can contribute a maximum of one PART).

in MULTI mode you can construct setups where you can have as many as 16 sounds, by simply assigning each PART, in turn, to receive on the Basic MIDI Receive channel. For example, if you are transmitting to the Rack ES on MIDI channel 1, nothing (but good sense) prevents you from placing all internal 16 PART on MIDI Channel 1… Please recognize that doing this will require common sense as you can quickly run yourself into trouble with the polyphony police.

MIDI Receive Channel is a PART parameter found on the EDIT > PART > “VOICE” screen.

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Posted on: November 21, 2009 @ 03:17 PM
chayimlife
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how do I initialize a location?

I tried to do a NOTE SHIFT. could not get to the “TONE “ screen.
I am not using midi channels. Just trying to keep it simple and construct my own splits and layers for live performances and for use in my teaching situations. I teach piano and voice.

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Posted on: November 23, 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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Initializing a location is done through the UTILITY function.

First, while in PERFORMANCE mode, scroll to the performance you want to clear out. 

Then, go into the UTILITY menu and use < > buttons to get to the JOBSEL menu.

Then scroll down to the INITIALIZE function, and hit ENTER.

Select CURRENT 1 PERF and make sure all the SUBOPTIONS (Common/El1/EL2 etc) are selected, then hit ENTER to execute. 

After that’s completed, the performance you selected will be wiped clean.

You say you can’t get to the TONE screen; that indicates a procedural problem.  There’s no reason the TONE screen would be inaccessible unless you’re in the wrong mode.  When you’re in PERFORMANCE EDIT / PART EDIT, what screens CAN you get to?

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Posted on: November 23, 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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Please see this PDF article:
Navigating the USER Multi: Motif-Rack ES

It is but 6 pages, but hopefully it will help you get around better on the Motif-Rack ES.

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Posted on: February 03, 2010 @ 11:49 PM
warse22
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I will bump this as I am having the exact same problem…

I’ve wiped the Performace clean using the Initialize function in Utility. I then loaded 4 voices, which I want to split - Trumpets/Sax on the top of the board and Harpsichord/Strings on the bottom. All need to be pitch adjusted so that they are in the proper range.

I go into Edit, turn the MUTE/SEL/ENTER button off so that the LED is not activated. The 1/5/9/13 button is now lit. When I hit the Page <- -> buttons, there are only two screens that will come up, which are the Perf-Voice and Perf-Limit screens - I can’t find the Tone screen anywhere…

Anyone know what I’m doing wrong?

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