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Posted on: June 01, 2009 @ 07:56 AM
Louder_Than_Good
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Hi - We are going to a home studio to make a demo CD. The guy there isn’t sure how to pan my Motif if the output is stereo.

If I ran my L/MONO OUT to one LINE IN on the mixing board, and the RIGHT OUT to another LINE IN on the mixing board, and then he were to pan them manually in the stereo field --

-- would there be weird phase cancellations? I’ve read about those bad things. Though I really really want to come out of my Motif Classic in stereo, I guess I’d rather come out of the L/MONO output only if the only other option is phase cancellation artifacts.

We are going to the studio this Saturday AM - any timely advice in the meantime would be much appreciated!

Thanks!

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Posted on: June 01, 2009 @ 08:06 AM
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So long as the mixing board is a stereo mixing board, routing the L/Mono to a left channel and R to a right channel, there should be no problem with phase cancellation. It’s only when you try to combine a stereo output from the Motif in a mono setup that you need to worry about phase cancellation.

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Brad Weber

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Posted on: June 01, 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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BradWeber - 01 June 2009 08:06 AM

So long as the mixing board is a stereo mixing board, routing the L/Mono to a left channel and R to a right channel, there should be no problem with phase cancellation. It’s only when you try to combine a stereo output from the Motif in a mono setup that you need to worry about phase cancellation.

Regards,

Brad Weber

Thank you so much, Brad!

Thinking through this ... if the LEFT and RIGHT channels in the mixing board (which were to have the Motif L/MONO and RIGHT outputs routed to them, respectively) were panned exactly to center, would it be the same as the part in your post I bolded, and there would be phase cancellation?

Or not? ...

Bringing this up just because it is something that I’m guessing may come up as an option at the studio.

Thanks!

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Posted on: June 01, 2009 @ 09:42 AM
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Yes, both channels panned center is essentially combining the channels in mono. To hear them in proper stereo they should each be hard panned their respective directions.

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Posted on: June 01, 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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jkristos - 01 June 2009 09:42 AM

Yes, both channels panned center is essentially combining the channels in mono. To hear them in proper stereo they should each be hard panned their respective directions.

Great, thanks so much jkristos and Brad_Weber for the quick and helpful responses!

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Posted on: June 02, 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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Thanks guys, another question if I could - will the Motif sound significantly different if I just use the L/MONO output, rather than the stereo output?

I know that obviously it will sound different because it’s in mono, but will that make the effects on voices sound noticeably different?

The real reason for my question is that I’ve got all my performances fine tuned for stereo output. Do I have a lot of changes to make to make it sound good in mono?

Thanks for clearing up even more ignorance from Louder_Than_Good!

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Posted on: June 11, 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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Your question is interesting but doesn’t have a definitive answer.

The best answer here is really “It all depends” !

Some voices are very ‘stereo’ and use a lot of width, or rely on effects (Stereo delays, reverbs etc) which give them stereo width. Examples of this are some of the pianos which the bass end is spread to the left side and the top to the right, giving you the impression of being sat at a grand!! Some strings sound are really wide. Putting either of these into mono will lose that width. If you have selected the sound for teh width of its character then to record it in mono will leave you knowing that it could sound way different.

Of course other sounds such as basses and maybe synth lead lines are and should be mono.

If you are wanting to get the best of both worlds and have a performance which uses wide stereo and mono, you could always connect the L+R outs to two channels on the mixer and pan them L+R respectively, then add a 3rd connection from the additional outputs to a single mono channel. You’ll need to route that mono sound to the relevant output within the motif. Don’t forget that the additional outs do not have any global motif effects on them.

Hope this sheds some more light on your situation.

Cheers

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Posted on: June 13, 2009 @ 08:07 AM
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Wellie - 11 June 2009 01:22 AM

Your question is interesting but doesn’t have a definitive answer.

The best answer here is really “It all depends” !

Some voices are very ‘stereo’ and use a lot of width, or rely on effects (Stereo delays, reverbs etc) which give them stereo width. Examples of this are some of the pianos which the bass end is spread to the left side and the top to the right, giving you the impression of being sat at a grand!! Some strings sound are really wide. Putting either of these into mono will lose that width. If you have selected the sound for teh width of its character then to record it in mono will leave you knowing that it could sound way different.

Of course other sounds such as basses and maybe synth lead lines are and should be mono.

If you are wanting to get the best of both worlds and have a performance which uses wide stereo and mono, you could always connect the L+R outs to two channels on the mixer and pan them L+R respectively, then add a 3rd connection from the additional outputs to a single mono channel. You’ll need to route that mono sound to the relevant output within the motif. Don’t forget that the additional outs do not have any global motif effects on them.

Hope this sheds some more light on your situation.

Cheers

Thanks, Wellie, very helpful! And that part in bold is something I had forgotten, good to be reminded again!

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