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Posted on: February 19, 2009 @ 12:53 AM
lokness42
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i mean take a look at it like this, you could do twice as much with a laptop and controller then you could with say a xs. i mean should you really pay 2000+ for a piece of equipment that while nice, just simply doesn’t cut it. i mean in a way its more stable don’t have to worry about crashes.

but again only 355 mb wav rom, or whatever, compared to gb’s of wavs on a computer. oh then you have to worry about not finding add ons, add ons not backwards compatible....be like not being able to use your old soundcard on a new computer, or a newer soundcard not working on your older computer.

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Posted on: February 19, 2009 @ 07:27 AM
trifidmaster
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I do not know the answer for you.

Here are my thoughts - a bit long:
Long time ago I had a simple sequencer, and ONE sound module.
I have been composing/writing tunes with that setup.
Basically I had limited tools. That time my tunes were from my hearth - later published, many people like them.

And time went, I had a better computer, better sequencer, many plugins, many synths, many gig samples, ...., and it was not working for me.

And at a certain moment I have bought the MO8 - and suddenly I have composed again nice tunes - without the computer, without other synths.
Later I have changed the MO8 to XS8, and yes, I compose on it.

I simply do not like to “look at” the computer screen for composing.

Note: 356 meg samples is NOT an issue at all - one can add sampling memory and many samples can be loaded.

So today, I sit down with a paper and pen next to my XS, sometimes just jam, but ALL my BEST tunes ARE made ON PAPER.

Yes, I have a very powerful computer, and I use it to transfer my GOOD ideas from the XS8 and work on them there, BUT I have sold nearly all of my plugins/softsynths/softsamplers. They caused too much manual readings, too much troubles, too much diluted attention to music…

The quality of the XS is top.

As I wrote I do not know the answer for you.

I am a educated composer - so my approach can be “affected” from this point of view.

Close your eyes, imagine a tree a big one - for example.
Now ask yourself how should you DESCRIBE it in music?

Difficult?

Not at all, let me start: the roots are heavy, dark, solid = like a strong chord. And the “body” of the tree grows = some moving notes, and the leaves are small and are many and the wind is playing with them = arpeggios…

Now, do I need a computer for this? Not for putting down the whole idea. In later phase in the computer I will polish the tune, but I do not touch the feeling.

Whatever your choice will be, remember music is to be heard and not seen.

trif.

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Posted on: February 19, 2009 @ 10:30 AM
lokness42
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i hear what you saying....but basically you saying you can’t just sit down at the computer and compose...to compose all you really need is a piano anyway...or if you are trained at writing sheet music....

sure you can add memory and load samples but how long will it take you to load 1 gig of samples into the xs, so like i say besides stability, what are the advantages of a workstation nowadays?

i’m also a believer that if you say something is so revolutionary it’ll change music production it should be included in all your pro gear(ahem mlan)...but only standard on the xs8....

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Posted on: February 19, 2009 @ 02:28 PM
Wellie
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I compose in my head, using a guitar, using a piano and or using a computer.

In each case, the finished song will be different, sound and feel different.

That said, my preferred writing position is at or with an instrument. But a workstation coupled with a DAW then allows me to put an arrangement together which will demonstrate something of what is in my head for the way the song could or should feel.

Cheers

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Posted on: February 20, 2009 @ 05:07 AM
Frank
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so whe have 2 basic kinds of composer.

the first basic kind is the drag and drop cut and paste mouse user.
they dont realy play so they dont understand why real instrument.
they also doing more a produkt then emotional music.
all must be perfect sound mis quant tune, because the industrie also do this produkt.

the second real basic kind is the amateur composer, they often play proffessional and emotional.
with real instruments most of the old jazzer do this but also other styles country and rock band musicians.
in first line they need a computer only for recording with advanced comfort.

so right two users over me said they need it,
emotional way the language of music.
because you cant do that with a computer in a satisfiton way.
to slow to long to wait, or not abel to compose right new things on a machine
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so the second you dont understand is only haha 306MB.
but thats a compressed rom.
now we go back to your computer and expand this and it will be more then your 4gb xp is able to hold in the ram.
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and the third mention is the software vsts you need much, and this cost much.
so every software is buggy and you need to buy update and upgrade that also is buggy.

so i started my studio 8 years ago now all my software is bad because it always need new no satisfion learning curves, and also lost the worth of money.
so my invest in vst was 5000bugs now i have near nothing or invest again 5000 and learn new bugs,
why…
the software industrie is earning money with this methode thats standard given you betas.

i also invest 5000 in hardware and that works for me, this is satisfition way,
means all good things are from real hardware and i love this synths working composing and sounds.

ok im a jazzer i donnt like perfect music industrie songs.

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so the mo survives in your studio and all this software is a come and go, most more useless at all then helpful.
thats my opinion.

LG Frank

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Posted on: February 20, 2009 @ 06:01 AM
sciuriware
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Another approach to this is: why do you need a computer if the
musical instrument has it all?

Do we need a computer when we paint, or sport?
If something essential is missing from the equipment
it is just not complete and the computer solution is clumsy.

;JOOP!

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Posted on: February 20, 2009 @ 08:15 AM
MoGut
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If you find inspiration from controllers, soft-synths and software, then have at it.

Other people need workstations, all-in-one type machines to channel their inspiration. Yamaha and motifator have celebrated this point in alot of their promotion videos in the past.

...and I totally agree with your point on the 355Mb. That doesnt sound like massive file sizes. I work in the mechanical engineering field, and to me, 355Mb sounds rinky-dink. Especially when its relating to a musical unit that costs $3300 smackeroos. Although I dont have the capacity to speak technically on the issue. I am just a hobbyist musician.

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Posted on: February 20, 2009 @ 09:18 AM
FJR2
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It depends on the situation for me.

Live perorming: I hate computers!!  I bring the XS and an extra controller, and it is incredible what the xs can do!!  In the old days (thats the late 70’s-80’s for me), I could never imagine having all this capability, in such a minimal setup!  And the quality of sound is spectacular!!!

Recording: I love computers!!  The xs makes a nice controller, a great ‘inspiration’ tool, and ocasionally contributes a sound or two!

my.02

FJR2 (cause FJR dont work anymore...)

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Posted on: February 20, 2009 @ 05:12 PM
SpongeBob
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I gave the computer recording bit a serious effort and after several years and too much money, I gave it up. Too many problems, updates, driver compatibility issues, on and on and on. I switched computers and now use Vista, so $500 worth of Sonar 5 PE, and everything I made with it, is now junk, as I have no way to load it - the old XP PC died and is in a land fill by now.

All the while, my hardware works perfectly…

I guess computer music works OK for some people, but not for me.

Bob

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Posted on: February 22, 2009 @ 11:08 AM
lokness42
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haha you guys already know soft synths are starting to take to the stage. i’m into technology and workstation are obsolete by the time they come out. but good machine for what they do.

i mean truthfully you got people that would rather spend a few hundred dollars on a software upgrade then a few thousand dollars on a new workstation.

i mean like 10 years ago workstations were all the rage, but as software is catching up...and with the exception of a keyboard the computer is the all in one workstation: sequencing, hard disk recorder, audio editing, larger storage more memory.

i used to be all about the workstation but now, not so much. times are changing.....look at the miko and neko....now those are workstations.

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Posted on: February 22, 2009 @ 11:23 PM
DavePolich
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Loknesse, you seem to spend a lot of time trying to prove a “point” we all get.

You might find it more constructive to spend your time actually making some music with whatever you choose to make it with.

Use a DAW and computer or plug-ins or use a workstation - either one, both, or neither. Whatever you need to do. There is no “best” way to do it.

People who produce music for a living have computers, DAW’s, plug-ins, softsynths, and hardware synths and workstations. They use it all. I do. Go to my website to see what I use in my studio:

http://www.davepolich.com

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