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DoubleM
 Total Posts: 36
Joined 01-19-2011 status: Regular |
Hi mikeys,
The Voices
I didn´t load the Pipe Organ (quite impressive) to my XF, but remember to use some of the ensemble brass voices (like B13 French Horn + Strings GG). I never load complete banks, but choose and pick (good) single voices. Hope that helps! |
| mikeys
Total Posts: 51
Joined 10-14-2010 status: Experienced |
DoubleM, Thanks so much - that is very helpful. There is more on there than I expected, and thanks to your posting, you just sold me on getting the library for my XF. Thanks again! Mike |
lastmonk
 Total Posts: 364
Joined 12-17-2013 status: Enthusiast |
I’m thinking seriously about buying the Garritan Personal Orchestra Sample Library for my Motif XF, but the product description in the Motifator Shop has a couple of caveats For example: “Although the Motif platform may not let you access the range of interactive articulations that have using the standalone GPO on a DAW, use of Assignable Function controls, plus the basic expressivity of the Motif keyboard means that the experience of using these excellent sounds is a joy.” and “Although the Motif XF contains many orchestral voices itself, the Garritan library fills in a number of important gaps plus gives you compelling alternatives along with many different articulations and dynamics.”
Which gaps does the Garritan Library fill?
Earlier in this thread there is a list of the voices, and a quick mention of fast, slow and tremolo, but no detail, on the articulations and dynamics, or other details like how many controllable elements in a voice, or what CC messages can be used with these samples, or how or if CTLSETs can be used to manipulate articulations or if any of the articulations and dynamics can be velocity switched etc. Does any one have the .pdf or documentation or know where I can find detailed documentation on the GPO 4 for the Motif XF? I really don’t want to drop the $129 if the sample library does not give me much beyond my base Motif sampled sounds. I’m already taking advantage of velocity switching and zoning, some of the arpeggiation, and ctlset mapping with the base motif sampled sounds. And I’m happy with the results (but very time consuming!!!) If the GPO 4 will save me some real work then I want to get it, but if I could get the same basic effects as the GPO 4 by just adding a little more sweat with the base motif sample sounds then I don’t want to waste my money. Its been a while since this library has been released, I’m hoping there’s been some real experience with the library by now. Does anybody have or know where I can get the nitty gritty on the GPO 4 sample library for the Motif XF? Or can anyone share any details of their personal experience with this library??? I’m also hoping that the library has more than just fast, slow, tremolo, and pizzacato , (which are already reasonably represented in the Motif Sampled Sounds) |
5pinDIN
 Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
Hopefully someone who has personal knowledge of this will post.
However, if that doesn’t happen…
PDF manuals (although the Motif/Lite version isn’t specifically listed):
Support:
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| lastmonk
Total Posts: 364
Joined 12-17-2013 status: Enthusiast |
Thanx 5pinDIN! Wow! I did not know that MakeMusic acquired Garritan. Interesting, hmmm.. I have Finale2014 which has some subset of the GPO. But when I use Finale I always map the Midi instruments back to my Motif/Mox and don’t mess with the Garritan samples in Finale. The Aria Player doesn’t hold a candle to my Motif/Mox so I bypass Garritan there. Now I can’t help but wonder how much of a subset the Motif GPO 4 is of the full GPO, or what the intersection is between Motif GPO sample library and the Finale GPO library, because both of these are a subset of the full GPO. I’ll check out the links. But if they’re not Motif specific, then the Voice information won’t tell me things like how many elements are mapped to a voice, or how or if the CTLSET has been mapped to elements, or anything about velocity switching, or zone mapping of the samples etc. I really want to think that someone on Motifator has personal experience with the GPO for Motif XF/XS LOL |
| lastmonk
Total Posts: 364
Joined 12-17-2013 status: Enthusiast |
@5pinDIN after taking a look at the links you posted I did find and digest: https://wpmedia.garritan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PO4_Manual_March5.pdf It does give me good information on how the controllers are used, and which midi CC are used to control what in the context of the GPO 4 library. Now I just have to determine what the actual difference is between the GPO 4 and the Motif GPO 4. As said I have the Aria Player and Finale Garritan library already, but much prefer to do all the sequencing/orchestration with the GPO library on the Motif, take the Motif sequence, sweeten it on the Motif, Mix it down to audio on the Motif, and then master it on my Tascam DP 24, upload it to the customer and then check my pay pal account for payment LOL. |
| lastmonk
Total Posts: 364
Joined 12-17-2013 status: Enthusiast |
Update on this thread. I finally purchased GPO for the Motif XF. OMG!! Although there are some nice comments already about it earlier in this thread, those comments imo do not come close to how nice this library is. 1rst hats off to DCP and everyone else involved in the conversion, and programming process of Motif GPO. They did an absolutely masterful job. It sounds absolutely awesome in 2019, even in the company of more expensive orchestral samples. I already had a version of GPO for the computer/Daw/Finale so I was reasonably familiar with how to interact with the various articulations and dynamics needed to control the orchestral sounds using the computer/daw solution. But for those of you who care, the computer control does not imo match the tight integration that is possible that I found when I used the GPO that has been specifically configured for the Motif. What is missing with the computer/daw version of the GPO that is present on the Motif GPO is the very tight integration/interaction of the GPO sample library with Motif’s:
XAControl mappings
This makes for imo a far far superior experience, and allows for a much more natural musical performance, than the DAW + GPO version. For live performance the Motif GPO is clearly the superior choice over the GPO that is used with a DAW imo its not even close! That is, Motif GPO is more reliable, easier to perform articulations and dynamics and integrates tightly with everything else that’s already happening on the Motif.
The one criticism that I do have for GPO for the Motif is
There is reasonable documentation that describes how to load the 4 libraries individually in to User Bank 4., But no documentation explaining how to load them all simultaneously.
Also The documentation does not describe what articulations, or dynamics a particular instrument has, or how it was zoned, or how the voices activate in different ranges on the keyboard. I understand this would have been a big job (and would have probably impacted the cost) So the musician has to explore each sampled instrument individually, look at the CTLSET mappings, look at the XAControl mappings, and the 8 Elements set for each voice, and see what impact INSA, INSB, and effects have on the sound of the instrument. This might scare off musicians that typically don’t dig this deep into the Motif. Fortunately in my case I’m into all of this so I’m having fun. The whole process is also giving me a better appreciation for Motif’s stock orchestral sounds. But for the uninitiated it would have been nice to have a document that describes each instrument in the Motif GPO and its articulation possibilities, CTLSET mappings, and keyboard range mappings, and FX dependencies. Otherwise it becomes a matter of discovery through trial and error and a lot of serendipity (which means a lot of the capabilities of the Motif GPO) might go undiscovered!
I highly recommend the Motif GPO. Its not that its better than the existing orchestral sounds on the Motif, it is an excellent complement to the existing orchestral sounds and makes the Motif even more complete. Motif GPO was able to do with the additional sample memory what there was not room to do without additional memory. So Bravo all that were involved in producing Motif GPO!
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