OK, so after switching to the ALI i see a little progress:

The WDM-Drivers installed after switching on the XS.
Inside cubase i now see incoming MIDI-Data.

I still cannot send Audio to the XS, but it seems we’re getting somewhere.

the VIA Interface seem to be not too nice with the FW16E.
The remoote now also works, so midi seems pretty much OK (even if i cannot get the XS to sound)

I’ll try to get the audio running.

wow, i cannot even get cubase to route the midi from the input-track to the VST

this is NOT a cubase problem: the moment i switch to another asio-driver (e.g. roland sonic cell) the MIDI data gets through.
this is a pretty strange.

i think the ALI is a bit better than the VIA, but probably i’ll try to get a TI, this seems to positiveley work.

really VERY strange.

i’ll keep you informed.
one more time: many thanks for the support, i really apreciate it.
tonite I’ll have to quit a bit earlier…

cya,
case

Although what you’re experiencing might be related to the FW chipset, my own experience is that it’s not always the problem. I’m using the IEEE-1394/FW port on a SoundBlaster Audigy 2 card, not necessarily known for the best FW implementation, without problem. (Windows reports the vendor for the OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller as “1102”, which is Creative.) No glitches, etc.

Rather than using Cubase as a means of determining functionality, you might try something simpler. Audacity (http://www.audacityteam.org/) works quite well for this purpose (and many others, by the way). You should be able to set its “Input Device” to “Yamaha Steinberg FW WDM Audio”, play an XS demo Song and record it in Audacity. If you also set Audacity’s “Output Device” to “Yamaha Steinberg FW WDM Audio”, the recording should play back via the XS. You can use the Audacity “Normalize” Effect to bring the level of the recording up if it’s low. If that works, it verifies Audio operation of the FW16E. (I just did so without a problem.)

Best of luck.

good idea, i’ll try to check in audacity (got it installed anyway).
at least i should be able to use the XS as ‘audio in/out’.

i am not too confident that this will work though, because i cannot even get any midi-information to or from the standalone XS Editor, (syncing and switching works, as in the VST_version) but who knows…

hope that the fw-card with a TI-chipset will arrive on friday, so i can give that a try.

rehi!

partly solved!
first, the effect in audacity was strange:
-i could NOT play audio via FW out. The Play would refuse to start.
(yes, i checked utility mLan Monitor Setup, neither worked)
-i could RECORD via FW in. (!!) audacity allows for different drivers for in and out: i could record the audio via XS-FW-Main and listen to it via sonic cell.

a total gamechanger was: checking the driver for the ALI FW card!
i changed the driver to the lagcy version (in german: ALT). this suddenly made things work.

i am still struggeling with the indiviual returns, but i think i’ll get that one figured out myself.

nvertheless, i’ll try the TI adapter, when it’s here…

best,
case

one more update:

i cannot get the routing from the individual mlan ports-via VST to the main mlan-port done.

signalflow should be like this

midi-track ->
vst-editor ->
MIDI to XS (via fw)->
Individual mlanCH(1/2) (via fw)->
vst-editor ->
audiolane in cubase (with edits) ->
routing to XS MainOut (via fw) ->
headphones

this should work in ‘With PC’ Mode, midi set to Rec on PC

midi seems to reach the XS, as i can hear the correct sounds, but i do not get anything in the audiolane:(

possibly another fw issue…

best
case

one more thing: the output seems to be switched:
when i select ‘asL&R;’ in Output Select, the Headphone-Signal disappears.

why do i get signal on the phones, but not on the cubase-audiolane, when i choose anything different?

best
case

The headphones only receive the signal from the Main L&R;outs.

To hear any audio from the computer, it’s output must also be routed to Main L&R;if that’s what your speakers are connected to.

Rehi,

during the easter-weekend i finally managed to test the TI-Firewirewirde card.

Technically it seems to work, there are no errormessages or exclamation marks. But the card delivers dropouts from time to time (more than one per minute, but very irregular) when used in cubase.
No cubase-settings are affecting this and there is no unusual sysload spike, when the dropout occur. i even set the buffersize to very high settings, but this has no influence on the dropouts.
after almost two hours of testing, configuring rebooting recabeling an the like, i removed the TI card and recabled for the ALI, albeit with the legacy drivers.

What i already found out before was theat the motif-exentensions for cubase do totally mess up C9, so do NOT INSTALL THEM. Yamaha/Steinberg really should work on that. First, the extensions do not work too well with the new layout, but more important, they keep the single-out signals from reaching the Audiolanes for the Motif-Plugin!

So my solution, which seems to work for the time being: ALI firewire Card, legacy Drivers, _NO_ Motif Extensions.

best,
case

See http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/460158/
Please pay particular attention to application of the YSFW Utility, since the dropouts issue can usually be solved with that.

I have no personal experience with Cubase 9. However, see http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/478701/
Motifator member kb420 said in that thread ”I’m using Cubase 9 Pro and the Motif XF through Firewire. No problems at all once I downloaded and ran the Motif Extensions software”. You might consider directly contacting kb420 to discuss that issue.

This might be interesting:
https://www.yamahasynth.com/blog/motif-xf-setup-templates-for-cubase

If you still have a problem…
If you haven’t already done so I’d suggest setting up a Steinberg account.
https://www.steinberg.net/en/mysteinberg/my_products.html
You can get support help and join forums where others might be able to offer further suggestions.

rehi,

yes, the YSFW-tool. totally forgot about that.
i’ll give it another try, once i find the time again.

as for the extensions: one might think they do work, as long as you don’t use the individual outs (but that was a main point for me to get FW). and the user there uses an XF, not an XS.

as the only advantage of the extensions seem to be the templates, that’s not really important for me. the audio-setup is pretty straightforward, and i don’t want to have unneeded i/o configured.

if i get the dropout issue solved with the YSFW, i’ll report here…

best,
case

...aaaand once more:

put the TI card back in: the dropouts reappeared in cubase.

started the YSFW-Tool and set the buffersize to medium.
reboot.

i think i heared just one droupout since. but could not reproduce it.

the latency did not rise significantly by raising the buffersize.
So this seems to have solved the problem!

YAY! Everything works now.

Thanksalot for the help!

best,
Ralf

You’re welcome - I’m glad you got the problems resolved.