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Posted on: April 26, 2010 @ 10:14 PM
Mlg4ever
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Why does yamaha provides letters for sections A-H right next to the buttons but omits to put letters from I-P next to their respective buttons. I can never figure this one out. do we have to imagine they are there?
It seems like something you can neglect but it can be a real pain.
There are good chances or missing the right section when using them on the fly. It wouldn’t hurt to sneak an annotation somewhere there?
please think about it, thanks
peace

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Posted on: April 27, 2010 @ 05:30 AM
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It is an Easter Egg! “How come” questions are really just out of curiousity, right? Frankly they did not want to clutter up the front panel with a bunch of letters - it confuses those who only use about 10% of the instrument anyway.

But if you have discovered PATTERN mode and are now using it, and you are at the point where you’ve actually recorded and filled up SECTIONS A-H (the first 8 Sections), isn’t it great to find out you have eight more in the buttons above? You bet it is.

I would guess that out of 100 Motif XS users out there, most of them never write anything in SECTION I-P… just a guess, since we are dealing with curiousity.

The front panel actually indicates that “SECTION I-P” are there, it just doesn’t list them over the buttons. It also indicates that “SECTIONS A-H” are there. It just so happens that the A-H share the same letters as the eight GROUPS A-H, that select Program groupings… so if you are seeing [A], [B], [C], [D], [E], [F], [G] and [H] buttons as SECTION buttons - it only is because they share the same symbols as the “GROUPS” as in the BANK-GROUP-PROGRAM protocol.

For example, Full Concert Grand PRE1:001(A01) is in
Bank = PRESET 1
Group = “A”
Program = 001

The BANKS are: 8 PRESET Banks, 3 USER Banks, 1 GM Normal, 1 GM DR, 1 PRE Drum, and 1 USER Drum.

There are 8 GROUPS (A-H)
There are 16 PROGRAMS in each Group (1-16)

Trust me, when I say the decision was discussed - many workstations suffer from too many functions per a button (they all do so much) - and they can start to look very cluttered (I will not mention any manufacturer by name) but there was an effort to not over clutter the front panel with too many things on a button like they do (lol).

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H
I, J, K, L, M. N, O, P

It takes about 2 minutes to make an association between these combinations of letters, come on, use that noodle (lol)

A and I - that’s easy (they’re first) but Artificial Intelligence if you must

G and O - that’s easy to because they spell GO

Besides physical positioning and spatial relationships is simply a matter of looking at it. Use the brain before it atrophies completely (you already don’t remember anyone’s phone numbers any more) :^)

How can you tell a “C” note on the keyboard? - You never mistake it for an “F”, do you? - Yikes, they have the same shape! So do “B” and “E” - How come you don’t mix those up? Spatial relationships and association. We opted to trade that for a LESS cluttered front panel. Rather than squeezing in Letters I-P over those buttons that only a work in one MODE (Pattern)… And consider that only a few folks would ever use… those that do, congratulations. After you press the buttons a few times and hear the music associated with tthem (even an untrained child) will be able to find a particular musical SECTION under each button. It is what the brain does! If SECTION “M” has the cool Interlude… the brain quickly associates this with that button (about half-way but just to the right of center)… ‘grouping’ the eye/brain do it, throw in the ear and its a slam dunk.

Check out the book: “This is your Brain on Music” - a great read!

Hope that helps and got you to laugh. It’s and “Easter Egg” - a hidden surprise!

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Posted on: April 28, 2010 @ 01:50 AM
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Bad_Mister - 27 April 2010 05:30 AM

It is an Easter Egg! “How come” questions are really just out of curiousity, right? Frankly they did not want to clutter up the front panel with a bunch of letters - it confuses those who only use about 10% of the instrument anyway.

But if you have discovered PATTERN mode and are now using it, and you are at the point where you’ve actually recorded and filled up SECTIONS A-H (the first 8 Sections), isn’t it great to find out you have eight more in the buttons above? You bet it is.

Trust me, when I say the decision was discussed - many workstations suffer from too many functions per a button (they all do so much) - and they can start to look very cluttered (I will not mention any manufacturer by name) but there was an effort to not over clutter the front panel with too many things on a button like they do (lol).

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H
I, J, K, L, M. N, O, P

It takes about 2 minutes to make an association between these combinations of letters, come on, use that noodle (lol)

A and I - that’s easy (they’re first) but Artificial Intelligence if you must

G and O - that’s easy to because they spell GO
Check out the book: “This is your Brain on Music” - a great read!

Hope that helps and got you to laugh. It’s and “Easter Egg” - a hidden surprise!

Thanks for the Easter Egg joke. I’m glad to hear that the decision was discussed during one of your meetings. But frankly I’m at peace when it comes to writing my music using the Xs. i just don’t know how one can possibly write on any other platform without pulling hair off their head everyday. the tools that the Xs and previous motifs offer are just too good and too straight forward, get to the point type… I’ve come to get so used to using my motifs for songwriting that, i demand more if not what should have rightfully been there in the first place. such as letters I-P next to their buttons.
I used to be one of those who got frustrated with the Buttons in front of me; some of which I knew little what to do with. I took a personal decision to overcome those barriers by digging deeper, going beyond, asking more and getting to the bottom of things.
Now the last thing I want to hear is that the front panel or anything else was engineered or conceived in function of the dumbest and the laziest amongst us.

I do sympathize with anyone who is still a beginner and still trying to figure stuff out. but that should’t be the basis on which to build the panel of such a world class professional music production workstation such as the Xs.
I would think something like “Xs for Dummies” would be the place for that.
I’m not bragging. it’s just that i’m finally getting to the place where I can really see eye to eye with the engineers who put certain functions together. it makes sense. trust me it’s a good place to be. makes life heck of a lot easier. then you start wishing things to really work for what they were designed to do. then you find yourself thinking like the corporate people. then you find yourself against your yesterday’s everyday people. then you wonder what’s gotten into you. then you realize that Knowledge is power. So let’s pass it on.

let’s all do an effort to overcome obstacles and come out triumphant and not let progress suffer because of our shortcomings. personally, given a chance I would help and assist whomsoever asks for help, if i can. I’m still asking help myself.
I need no convincing and I will try to convince no one that the Xs is to this day the best songwriting tool there is. there are so many things out there, but at least I am at peace knowing that I can point at the one tool i know works for me. So, perfection is where we’re headed for, not regression.

As for those Keys the C, the F the D...you know that’s not a fair comparison. these black and white guys are almost like the extensions of my natural fingers. I find and play them in a way that I could never be able to explain to you. And you know that the analogy is just not fair here. it could almost be classified as a cheap shot. lol…
yes I’m using up the Section I-P. and more often now. What am I using them for? Good question. What about those who want to work with 2Gb of SIMMs memory? what do they need all that for? rhetorical question. Don’t answer that! the Xs doesn’t even implement that yet?
And finally, if 8 additional letters will clutter the front panel, chances are the panel is cluttered already without them.lol.......
Give me my 8 letters next time please, would you!
peace

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Posted on: April 28, 2010 @ 05:39 AM
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come on, tape and a pencil.

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Posted on: April 28, 2010 @ 11:48 PM
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kr=d+=+ - 28 April 2010 05:39 AM

come on, tape and a pencil.

yeah the good old days. Somehow I decided to move on. go paperless and save a tree. got to save our planet. that’s where we play music… lol
But still appreciate.
peace.

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